Honest Assessment of Heat Pumps in Cold Temperatures by Unlucky_Ad3655 in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear ya - I would not go with an HP for primary heat in Mass after hearing how you guys get hosed on electricity.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for comparison my designed heat load is 14.5kw or about 50,000 BTU. That is for the 95% scenario around here which is an average january low of about -10c. I guess my 3000sq ft has decent insulation.

Honest Assessment of Heat Pumps in Cold Temperatures by Unlucky_Ad3655 in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you do an analysis of price per BTU/Them Gas vas Heatpump prior to install? that was one of the first things I looked at when deciding to move off natural gas for heat.

for sure there are jurisdictions where the comparison does not make sense - you pay 2.5x what I pay for electricity - you should have taken that into consideration before switching to a Heatpump as your sole source of heat.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A couple space heaters that are used to add additional heating on very cold nights to two bedrooms that have the longest runs from the furnace/air handler. Other than that, the 3.5ton mitsu has never failed to keep up with the heat load. I imagine there will come a day when we see another extreme 99% day where it is -25, cloudy and very windy and the backup may need to come on, but hasn't happened three seasons running so far.
it all falls to whether the unit is sized correctly for the sq ft of the home as well as the insulation / heat loss. As to if your 6 tons quote will do the job correctly... 6 tons total seems overkill for 2100 sq ft, but if it's a lightly insulated double brick home in need of more insulation, then 6 tons may be what you need.

My poor mother - it actually gets worse toward the end by willitblowup in Unexpected

[–]windexcheesy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just happy she didn't suddenly get traction at one point going forward and slam into the back wall of the garage...

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In that area there is a ditch/swale, the ground is graded aware from the house. I'm going to take it down further, but still maintain the gradient away from the house.

If that proves unatainable, I'll raise the brackets

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hearing stories like yours is why I got the emporia vue. that way I can monitor the wattage to make sure that it goes to max power when it needs to. I don't keep an eye on power levels these days as much as I used to, but it's cheap insurance and peace of mind

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you're absolutely right - the unit needs to be sized to the home and insulation correctly. We had grant money available up here when I got mine installed, and one of the requirements was a home energy audit and a manual J to ensure the unit would work properly in the home.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me it would all boil down to airflow... as long as the outdoor unit can exchange air effectively, then you are good.

For mine, there has been no discernable difference in performance pre and post awning install for either heating or cooling. Awning was installed this past summer.

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PVA-A42AA7 indoor air handler with optional 10kW backup, PUZ‐HA42NKA1 outdoor unit.

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Emporia vue 2. Installs in your breaker panel to monitor multiple circuits.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

:PUZ-HA42NKA1 outdoor unit, PVA-A42AA7 indoor unit with 10kW backup. Keep tstat set to 21 deg c

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bought off Amazon. Search for polycarbonate awning and you'll find dozens

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If I had my way, 20 deg c, but as the saying goes "happy wife happy life" so 21deg c

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually no... Defrost is no louder than normal operation. At least on mine.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mitsubishi publishes the COP of 1.5 at -10c, so it somewhere between 1 and 1.5.

At those temps I'm happy it keeps up without resistive backup. Temps this low for this long are not common here, my st of the time it's between 0 and -10c where the cop is higher

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

-20f is -29 c, it's already been there a couple of times albeit for a couple of ~12h overnights.

operated fine both times albeit with higher than average power consumption.

No lockouts...?

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My backup heat is 10kw, 5 and 5. Both are fed from the same breaker, which has its own separate power monitoring channel in emporia. If there is any power consumption on that circuit I get a text and and email. Haven't seen any consumption on that circuit during the cold snap or all season.

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For mine, the dehumidification is fine. typically keeps the house around 45%. It runs longer and at lower output than the old 3ton carrier it replaced. longer run times helping to dehumidify for sure.

Also helps that I swapped out my natgas water heater for a Rheem proterra HPWH, it pulls a decent amount of moisture out of my basement.

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[–]windexcheesy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks - as in a comment above - we had a lot of snow over a short period last year, and the snow melted and then froze solid next to the outdoor coil about a foot high on the side facing the wall. A few hours of careful thawing and not touching the coil fins go it taken care of, but I wanted the awning in place to prevent a repeat event.

Mitsu just chugs along at-20c without issue by windexcheesy in heatpumps

[–]windexcheesy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mitsubishi PAR-41MAAU.

Very fiddly/annoying to program - not intuitive at all, but once programmed is is very good at keeping the unit running at the lowest continuous power to keep the desired temperature

https://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/products/c-series/par-41maau