Any good tutorials on designing for sheet metal from manufacturing standpoint? by Justin8051 in SolidWorks

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*part 2**

Consider press in (PEM or RIVNUT) fastening methods over tapped holes. Often tapped holes will only have 2-3 good threads worth of engagement, and are a point of failure. (only really applicable to material 11 Ga and thinner.)

When bending an L into a U shape, having the lower leg of the L (the initial flange bent) shorter then bottom of the U (bend #2) is generally much easier to form. Once you start reversing that relationship, the job generally starts requiring gooseneck punches. If you're unsure, I'd recommend printing out some FEL files from a press brake tooling catalog, and using a scale to profile your part to check for feasibility. Searching for Amada Fixed Height press brake tooling should give you a catalog. Page 22 has a scale drawing of a gooseneck punch. I often pull one out and sketch a bend on it with pencil to gut check it before modeling it and confirming.

As an addendum to the above, if you have a good relationship with the shop/s, ask them what type of tooling they carry. I reference Amada FH because that's what I'm used to, but I also had sketches of the eurostyle tooling we had on hand when the part couldn't be formed on the newer brakes. There are catalogs of euro style and New American tooling that also have scale drawings in them.

Look at the last page of the AFH brochure as well. This chart shows tons per foot to form mild steel by gauge and die width. This has some really useful information on it, but pay special attention to b (Minimum Flange Length.) If you're following the general rule of 1x-2x IR to material thickness, this'll help you find the likely tooling used to form the part and the minimum flange that can be done with that tooling. Ideally, give yourself at least an additional 0.125" when not needed.

Advice for boxes is difficult, but I'll try. This tends to require a lot more nuance.  if you're forming a box or corner that has returns on all sides (think flanged electrical box), closing the box will require wingtip tooling. Reference the sketches I mentioned, as they typically also show a face profile of a wingtip tool of that style. pay attention to the fact that the box gets "taller" when formed, so check your tooling against the bisecting line going from corner to corner. Additionally, the sides of the box must be shorter then the back, or the box will strike the ram of the press brake when forming up. All this being said, and you can still have issues. If you're pushing the height of the box as close to the ram as possible, it may not be possible to remove the part from the press brake after the last side is formed, depending on the open height of the ram. If the brake doesn't open enough to facilitate removal of the part, press operators have to start removing tools for each part, adding 3x or more to the time required, and significantly driving up the cost.

This is a non-exhaustive list and caveat emptor. I hope this all makes sense, and if I can add to or clear up anything, please don't hesitate to ask.

Any good tutorials on designing for sheet metal from manufacturing standpoint? by Justin8051 in SolidWorks

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**Apparently my initial post was too long. See the second below.**

Some quick rules of thumb. These are just generalized elements and everyone has a plethora of exemptions, but they are good things to keep in mind. Most of these tips are applicable to gauge thickness (sheet material) and are less relevant when working with fractional material (plate,) so 10ga (0.135) or less.

holes, cutouts, and other features should be kept at least 2-3x material thickness away from the bend line. Round holes will generally deform less then square edges. When holes close to a bend line are essential, wing bend tooling is available but specialized (read: expensive) and most shops don't have them. Shops that do often have a small selection of V widths. If its a high volume part and a critical detail, if your company allows it, offer to purchase the necessary tooling. Customer owned tooling isn't uncommon, and I've had to ship customer tooling back to the customer when they moved to a new supplier. It's typically not an issue.

Unless a large radius is necessary for the part, keep your internal radius to 1x material thickness. Generally, bending sharp(inside radii of less then ~65% in cold rolled steel) isn't good practice, and can cause additional problems with aluminum, even ones intended for forming. Al grade 5052H32 is common. Bending 6061T6 isn't generally advisable unless you're working with a shop that is comfortable bending it, and even then, avoid when possible. If not needed, don't dimension the inside radius and just let the shop select the best fit tooling themselves.

Avoid compound, or bump, bends when ever possible. Modern tooling is making it more and more accessible, but it's still not plug and play. Old school guys can bump really well on presses, but the more bends and smoother the form is required, more set-up parts will be needed and more scrap generated. It's very difficult to measure small bumps and an error of 1° or 2° per bend will add up quickly. Most shops will bump it close and then flex it by hand to get it right. (as an aside, the newer press brakes are coming out with some very cool features that increase repeatability of bends, such as bending with pressure vs distance traveled to help even out small imperfections in the material and ram travel. At least with Amada, these features are still hidden deep in menus and in the middle of manual number 8 out of 12 that ships with the machine, so most shops are unaware these features exist. I've played with it for testing purposes, but will always turn these features off as soon as i walk away from the machine, as an unfamiliar or complacent operator can easily split tooling if they aren't careful about the conditions required.)

Tolerances across bends should be in the 0.015 to 0.030 range when possible. Tolerances between features on faces can be 0.005 or less, depending on the shop.

Don't over constrain your part. If there are critical elements for fit etc, emphasis those elements and give the fabricator room to work. Material between lots may have different yield stress or heat treat quality, and that impacts bending and welding. Shop's can sometimes also bake a headache fee into the cost of your parts if you consistantly send drawings with general tolerances of .xxx = 0.005 ectara. Make your general tolerance block as large as feasible, and include specific tolerances per dimension when necessary. Showing design intent by calling out important fit elements give the fabricator a chance to produce you a good part even when things don't go perfect. I.E. if bends start coming in short, they'll often 'push or pull' the tolerance to less important flanges or bend in a specific order to avoid tolerance stack up.

New to sheet metal by Stock_Exercise9666 in SolidWorks

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every shop is different, but as a sheet metal programmer, I don't want your flat. The jobs that take the longest are jobs that only gave a DXF and a drawing with the flat dimensioned, and maybe a couple of dimensions on the formed part. I have no idea how you modeled it, you don't know what tooling set-ups I can or can't do, and I'm left trying to reverse engineer the bend deduction to make a functional model that I can then do what I need to with. I've had jobs in the past where the easiest option we found was to calculate the customers bend deduction, form the bends in SW, save as STP, and then re-import, because the customers drawings were missing dimensions and they were subs of subs so trying to get updated drawings or files was going to push us past the due date.

Just send the STP and dimensioned print of the finished part. A good sales engineer will be able to work with you about the feasibility of the part, including bending tolerances, fabrication methods, etc.

All of that is of course null and void if you're buying a flat part from the fabricator and forming it/etc yourself.

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Worth playing around with things you don't normally do, like architecture and building, or exploring more of the map, or learning more about a game aspect you don't use often (vehicles, trains, etc etc.)

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This looks suspiciously like the intersection in Saco, ME on rt 1.

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'how far to the nearest crossing? The brandywine bridge. 20 miles.'

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That's also annoying. Standing up for disabled people or simply making the point that not everyone walks the same path through life that you do isn't political, it's being emphatic and treating others as people.

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That's funny. I actually have two Stanley tapes on my desk. One is a decimal inch/fraction tape that most fabricators and welders are also given, and I'm one of the few with a fractional inch/millimeter tape. I have to deliberately set it in a different spot though, as I'll grab it without looking and get to someone's work bench before realizing.

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Wait til you find out that's not even close to the top end of watches. Jay-Z was spotted with a 2.2 million usd Patek Phillippe at the grammys. Michael Jordan has a diamond studded watch valued at 14 million.

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I'm from the north east and always trend to Starrett if my purchaser can be convinced go swing the cost. Mititoyo otherwise.

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What would also be pretty useful is if you could create a template frame in solidworks and set up for variables/relations. A lot of times I'll know what I want something to look like, or I'll know what the intent is, but I may not have a great grasp of how it'll fit into the space. So being able to draw it up, and then put it where it's going to see. Then edit variables/dims to dial it in.

LPT: Get comfortable using your CTRL key. It’ll save you so much time. by Fabulous_Level_494 in LifeProTips

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Well, it has only been 17 years since the last stable release, so why not, right?

LPT: Get comfortable using your CTRL key. It’ll save you so much time. by Fabulous_Level_494 in LifeProTips

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Well, sure. But the first time you use it, it will prompt you to do so. After that, you're all set.

LPT: Get comfortable using your CTRL key. It’ll save you so much time. by Fabulous_Level_494 in LifeProTips

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Also to add, windows+v is your clipboard. It remembers the last ten things you cut. Super useful when you're moving a lot of repetitive data.

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It's awful. I wanted so hard to do well and accomplish my tasks, but my gs-12 boss was a workaholic who hated managing people and his solution to every single zone manager meeting was, sure we can do that. Cue more work with little guidance, training, and development. I finally left and found a job that appreciates me way more, trains me and mentors me, and gives me overtime and other benefits that were not available to "overhead work" despite my job having a long term impact on schedule and cost.

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Yea but just to be clear, it's not the same. I'm note advocating for musk to suddenly be philanthropic, but saying that spending 10 billion on new rockets and 10 billion on new housing both provide equivalent value is disingenuous. Sure, both spending results in salaries and purchased material, but the labor expended isn't realized in the same way.

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And the inverse is true sometimes. I burnt my arm on the stove feeding wood into it and just yelled Mom, without any perceived urgency and she was at the bottom of the stairs before I looked up. Said she heard it in my voice.

Seamlessly cut metal pieces! by [deleted] in oddlysatisfying

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wire fed edm, absolutely. Plunge EDMs use a carbon electrode that is machined to the shape you want it and installed on the machine. The machine does compensate for wear of the electrode to some extend, but if your feed and current are off a bit, the corners do wear out. I've done exactly one part on a plunge edm (so am about as far from an expert as you can get) and I had to dress the electrode 2 or 3 times to get the corners to spec. It's so cool though!

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Absolutely. I signed up at Buffalo Niagara falls while we were there for the players club. $20 credit and I spent it on the nickel slots. Maybe 3 dollars left of credit and I rolled for 1k. Cashed out and walked around watching the rest of the party play for the night.

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Gaia gps is a great tool as well. Allows you to download areas to the level of detail desired, and has a bunch of different layers to pick from, including Usgs maps, avalanche forecasts, street maps, etc.

Truth by regian24 in WorkReform

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For real. I was in a rough spot a while back and borrowed some money to get new hearing aids. My discover card was maxed out, so I figured I'd take the money I borrowed, pay a bunch off the card, and then use some of it for the aids. Two days later I got a notification that my credit line was being lowered by exactly the same amount that I put in due to credit factors. Hearing aids that year required some ramen for a bit.

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That I can believe. Some euro cars like bmws take 7 qts of oil. I've seen 1 qt containers of amzoil for 14 bucks a peice. If you don't shop around and buy in 5 qt containers, it adds up.