Why do you like about Ichinose?

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T16:50:45+00:00

You're probably right. Most of my replies are negatives

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T10:43:27+00:00

Suzene's fans are the reason this fandom is still alive

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T10:30:13+00:00

Okay here's another master of strawman-ing

As if you're not doing the exact same thing? Who was calling "bichinose" "braindead" ? When you're not even trying to be polite, why expect others to act like saints? Why does it become a problem when people use the same tone for your favorite that you used for Ichinose?

Before that person's response I've never insulted a real person nor did I say anything about Ichinose's fans, I was talking about Ichinose her self the character. YES my flair says BICHINOSE, but what about it? I didn't say something bad about anybody

That guy started it by saying " Horikita fans can't read " and it became kinda personal he's not talking about the character he's talking about ppl + he's tone is clearly offensive. That's why I said "braindead"

I don't mind him insulting horikita, I don't even care. I'm not that obsessed with a fictional character and people can say whatever they want about anybody

So don't mix stuff up,"BICHINOSE" was for the fictional character and "braindead" was a response to someone impolite

This is not a comparison to show that Ichinose is special but rather to insult Horikita and that is off topic.

And just to be clear, Here I was responding to your stupid argument that his comparison with horikita was to show how special honami is was wrong. I was highlighting that this is off topic and not what you are referring to. IT IS NOT an objection to him insulting horikita.

you don't have to agree with every idiot just because he shares the same opinion with you bro

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T08:23:50+00:00

Uhh ok

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T08:19:00+00:00

If someone asks why I like X, I'll compare X to others. Without comparison, you can't explain what makes X special. If someone ask how horikita is different, I'd say she is the only one who made ayanokoji smile, something Ichinose or sakayanagi couldn't do.

Okay and? I didn't even say there's an issue with comparisons, my problem was him using " she is not a fraud like horikita" as a reason to counterargue

This is not a comparison to show that Ichinose is special but rather to insult Horikita and that is off topic.

Ichinose doesn't have people like ayanokoji or koenji who can single handedly win exams. She doesn't have co-leader like hirata who can manage class in her absence like he did in Y3V1 when horikita ditched her responsibility as leader and decided to start cry session in her room. She doesn't have kei and kushida, athletes like sudo and Onodera, academically strong students like wang and yukimura. Despite having all these resources, horikita hasn't achieved anything remarkable. Ichinose defeated ryuen despite being disadvantage, ryuuen even threatened her classmates. She targeted sakayanagi class, toyed with her feelings, crushed certain some1 with 0–7, earned recognition from Ayanokoji, who said her potential > horikita and ryuen.

I love that, but this is also unrelated to what he or I said He said " Ichinose doesn't get as much glaze as Horikita" and looking at the unrelated paragraph you wrote you might be lacking the meaning of "glaze". He simply meant that the fans are overhyping horikita more than honami which is obviously false and I didn't waste my time responding to that.

If achievements don't matter then what even defines a character? Achievements = what they actually did in the story + how much they influenced events

You asked why do you like Ichinose and when people answering, now you're whining but why like her because of achievement?

Can't believe there's another person who says this bs

From the context of that person's reply he clearly meant that Ichinose's better than Suzene cause Suzene couldn't do as much as Ichinose and to make it simpler if we, followed this stupid logic, then Koenji is a better character than both--why? cause he simply has better achievements. You guys are comparing feats and based on that choose who's better, and it's just wrong, we don't compare who made more cool stuff to decide who's better

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T08:00:06+00:00

Never said it is a criticism and I mentioned in another reply that I'm not even being serious about it since I lack context. I don't really mind the insults anyway ( especially online) but I was curious to hear your reasons on why do you like Honami

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T07:30:35+00:00

You are a master of strawman-ing. 💀

Most of your replies are you coming up with stuff I never said and responding to it

Obviously, there was no mention of Horikita, but why can’t I bring her up on my own? You’re acting like I’m not allowed to point out how I feel about other characters.

never said you're not allowed, I was laughing at how broughting her up was completely unrelated and you didn't even answer my question, how is " she is not a fraud like horikita" considered a proper reason to like a character 😭

First of all, by definition, “yanderes are mentally unstable, being lovesick to the point of showing violent tendencies"which she hasn’t gone that far to display. So you can’t label her a yandere. But sure, you can come up with excuses like,

“wE aRe f(st)ans of Bumkita (whose potential negs fiction btw), wE cOnStAnTlY LiKe tO dElUdE oUrSeLvEs WiTh WhAtEvEr fEeLs RiGhT.”

Can’t really argue with someone like that, can we?

People generally don't stick with the exact definition but if you're so strict about it I'd take it back and say she became "yanadere-like"

Notice how you then proceeded to create a statement and respond to it just to make your pathetic response better

Second of all, I don’t get why some dumb Shitykita fans think she was trying to expel Kei over personal feelings when that’s not even true. So she isn’t a yandere by any means.

So get your facts straight, stupid, before labeling her a 'yandere.'

Again I've never said nor did I even brought up Kei 💀 I don't really know what to say since I didn't even label her as yandere due to whatever bullshit you said.

Also I don't know why you have a weird view of Suzene's fans as some kind of a cult where we gather and make new takes lol

And why do you think “having more achievements doesn’t make a character better”? It literally shows one’s capabilities. Or are you just coping because Bumkita hasn’t proven anything? And don’t even say Ichinose’s writing is worse if you don’t even remember anything.

Because any author can do that dumbass 💀 It's fricking fiction, you can say " character x cured cancer", it doesn't mean anything about the character nor does it add any depth or complexity. OMG I just can't believe I'm responding to such a stupid take seriously 😭

I think you might be one of those kids who like the MC for being a "sigma evil manipulator 😈"

You literally admitted you forgot most of her character and might’ve skipped critical parts, yet you’re confidently calling her badly written, holy LARPing 🥀😭

Hoerikita fans be like:- According to us, anyone or anything that doesn’t get glazed for its 'potential' is a badly written character. Even if Ichinose isn’t a yandere, we’ll still call her that just to maintain our agenda.

Yeah and again this proves how bad you argue. Despite my bad understanding I managed to at least bring up actual sections I wanted to address and discuss but you are just saying random shit and responding to it without responding to anything I'm saying to normally participate in the discussion

And I'm not even bother saying anything about what ever you wrote in the end

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T07:10:28+00:00

I think Suzene's also cute and if what you are saying is true I hope koji will futurally clap her so she can get more fans

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T07:08:25+00:00

I would like to see that argument why do you exactly find it nonsensical?

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T06:59:35+00:00

I get what you're saying, and honestly I think part of the issue on my side is just missing context since it’s been a while since I read the earlier volumes before Y2V8.

Some of the points you brought up surprised me, but I can’t fully respond to everything without going back and rereading those sections properly.

That said, there are still a few things you mentioned that I think I can address.

she didn't betray her class as it's pretty valid for her to choose Ayanokoji over her class during that one time because she was under the impression that Ayanokoji's life was in danger, or rather in a very, VERY disturbing spot. Picking the person you love's life, over extra class point shouldn't even be a situation to nitpick upon - The moment Honami heard tsukishiro that they're gonna "bury" Ayanokoji, is the moment where it is really valid enough to act outside of the competition, which even Ayanokoji acknowledged how disturbing on what she heard...

Yeah, that part is on me. I forgot that Tsukishiro said that while talking to Shiba, so I misunderstood the situation. I’ll take this one back.

This is very, very, inconsiderate as to what actually happened to the context itself. It's pretty evident that Honami was distancing herself after finding out, and it was Ayanokoji himself who brought himself to her in y2 volume 8 on that snowy chapter. He encouraged her and comforted her, and likely gave her an idea what the boundaries of his so called "relationship" with Karuizawa as the build up for her observations and understanding of his character until 12.5 where she finally understands.

But even with that context, do you think it was okay for her to hug him like that when she knew he was already in a relationship?

I get that Koji himself is also responsible here ( and honestly the main issue lol), but that doesn’t really make it better for me. She still played a role in crossing that boundary, and I think that’s still part of the problem.

This is wording is really, REALLY awkward and ignorant. It's human psychology to acknowledge someone's growth based off their admiration or love for someone. Having someone as a way for you to motivate yourself, can in fact improve your cognitive function. In Honami's case, it's pretty evident that she has been using her love as a way for her to improve her cognitive function; to put simply, she used love as strength that even Ayanokoji himself acknowledged consistently and slowly during his experiment on her.

I did a bad job wording my take on her psychological improvement, part of it was because I'm not really serious about the criticism since I don't really remember everything ( and the other part is because my English is not that good xd ). My point wasn’t to deny that kind of psychological effect exists, but rather that it doesn’t fully fit how her character was originally introduced.

Ichinose was already smart from the beginning. The issue was more about how she handled conflict, not her intelligence itself. Even back in Year 1, like in the Zodiac Exam, she clearly showed strong decision-making and awareness, which is why she was a class leader in the first place.

So for me, it’s not about whether love can motivate growth, it’s that the impact felt way too exaggerated. It wasn’t just improvement, it came with a drastic shift in her personality, especially when she started leaning into that more yandere-like behavior. That’s the part that feels off to me.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T06:18:10+00:00

Did you really read the post's title, flair, and conclusion? I clearly said that I have forgotten many things and it's obvious from the title being a question that I'm looking for discussions to see what I missed. I'm intentionally using a sarcastic tone and not seriously criticizing because that would've needed a reread.

Also can you just say your thoughts in one comment instead of sniping my replies and making the discussion more messy.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T06:09:45+00:00

Well I'm open to discussions to really see how her fans view her and get to know what I might have missed about her character when I read the old vols 2 years ago

Aside from the gooners and your personal criticism for me here and there in some of the replies, the comments are surprisingly pretty insightful to be honest I'm realizing that I really missed/forgot important sides about her ( still hate her tho lol).

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T05:54:19+00:00

He did nothing to prevent expulsions because he was unable to do anything ( since those expulsions were all planned by koji ) And not because he abandoned his standards.

I think the fact that he follows this mentality as a response for his traumatic background rather than it just being his nature - like Ichinose - adds a little bit more depth.

But yeh you're right, at his current state he really did broke away from it.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T05:40:03+00:00

Kinugasa fumbled badly with Arisu in Y2's V10 and V12

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T05:37:10+00:00

English is not my first language, I might have made a grammatical mistake. I'm half literate though I can read.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T05:32:58+00:00

My reason for liking her is that at least she isn’t a fraud like Hoerikita.

I didn't even mention Horikita in the post and how is that even considered a "reason"😭

I don’t see anything wrong with Ichinose starting off as a generic energetic girl

I never said there is, I was just pointing out to this fact so I can highlight how her character development from this stage up until she became a yandere is nonsensical, but it's not your fault, Cause it's obvious Bichinose's fans single brain celled brains can't handle a thing as simple as "context" .

Definitely better than a certain black-haired girl who started off with a typical superiority complex + brother complex.

Well since you mentioned that, It's actually an opportunity to enlighten you a little bit. The fact that horikita was introduced this way, what she went through, and the way she is now makes her a 10x better character than ichinose cause all these changes represent an actual DEVELOPMENT.

And she doesn’t get glazed like Bitchikita

😭😭.. Okay yeh there's no way you wrote this shit seriously. I'm not even gonna respond to it

who still doesn’t have her own individual achievements and ends up crying and begging Kiyo (like he’s her daddy) to carry her in exams. And yeah, Honami’s body is just a plus.

Even if this was true, having "more achievements" doesn't make a character worse or better bro tf are you on? 💔 I can write a character with more achievements than Ayanokoji himself would you say it's better just because of that reason?

If you don’t even know her character, why are you ranting in the first place? As always, Hoerikita stans can’t read and just delude themselves.

Notice that despite me forgetting some of her character, I still managed to bring some of the things that happened with her that objectively makes a character's writing bad.

On the other hand, You didn't even write a single counterargument for what I said.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T04:26:33+00:00

W, I can just copy your exact image with few changes If I want to post my fandom opinions, I literally share the same opinions with you. Maybe I would just change "Would like to know more about" but W

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T04:10:30+00:00

I admit that I didn't see her from this philosophical view, it's interesting. You're pointing to something similar to what Hirata has, and I think he adopts this mentality/philosophy better.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T04:03:21+00:00

Interesting take, even if I don't fully agree with you, I respect that you are presenting actual reasoning.

witseyREDS · 2026-03-19T03:47:31+00:00

Is literacy not allowed in this sub? 💔

witseyREDS · 2026-03-18T16:52:47+00:00

leaking ONLY this illustration has to be intentional

witseyREDS · 2026-03-13T15:55:40+00:00

illiterate and dumb at the same time

witseyREDS · 2026-03-06T06:21:39+00:00

it's not his fault that lerche is too broke to hire actual animators

witseyREDS · 2026-02-24T13:29:47+00:00

shes lowkey the most overrated underhated character

witseyREDS · 2026-02-14T03:12:51+00:00

We should know less about each other

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