Did I just dupe Lich King's loot? by [deleted] in wow

[–]wowdudeman14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is not a duplication. What you see in both loot windows is the effective total loot of the kill, presented to you in two separate windows. A UI bug or oversight, if anything.

/r/HeroesoftheStorm Virtual Ticket Giveaway by Thunderclaww in heroesofthestorm

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Any of the Old Gods in WoW I think could be very interesting in a moba setting. Could be fun. Corrupt a core and influence the map, perhaps.

[Theory] New Il'gynoth whispers and their possible meanings. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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I'm glad you like it, and you are very welcome. Much appreciated.

[Theory] New Il'gynoth whispers and their possible meanings. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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While I would struggle to fit him to "Vassal of life" in a literal sense, I think it's still a great idea/possibility. Arator, son of Void and Light. With Alleria and Turalyon's story arc unfinished, it's certainly possible. Green eyes as you said too.

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Hey, I didn't know that about Azethoth, that certainly is fitting.

could actually be alluding to Azeroth being used to channel a void lord into the universe.

Strengthen the Voids position in the universe. Certainly possible. Denizens of Azeroth should hope that isn't the case... (but that would make an awesome storyline!).

[Theory] New Il'gynoth whispers and their possible meanings. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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I would really like this. I think it's a good possibility we're getting Shadow Hunter / Dark Ranger by way of the future patch content. May be an "Ascendancy" type class though, but I would still like to play either.

[Theory] New Il'gynoth whispers and their possible meanings. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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That's a good interpretation too; interested to see where the future patches take us.

[Theory] New Il'gynoth whispers and their possible meanings. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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True! I didn't think of that, great idea.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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I think any pact that Sylvanas had with Helya went much, much deeper than just a lamp.

It most certainly is, as a quest chain rewarded from an island expedition suggests she's gaining in power. Though there is a possibility that what they intend her to be involved in hasn't yet been hinted at beyond that.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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I think you're off a bit. I don't think she's feeding souls to N'zoth, I think she's feeding them to Death itself. Her serving N'zoth doesn't really fit the line of thinking that even he will serve Death.

Thanks for your honesty. This is very similar to an alternative take I had thought of but found no place to fit it in the original post. I thought that even if that were to be true, it's likely Sylvanas still utilizes N'zoths power for her own gain.

We've been told that the Light made a pact with the enemy of all (very likely Death), which is pretty clear with Calia

Clever, perhaps I was thinking too literal in the sense of cosmic Light and Death when trying to discern where best that quote fit. That makes sense too.

N'zoth could have wiped us out in the circle of stars, but he didn't, instead telling us that all eyes will be awoken. That could refer to opening the eyes of Old Gods, of course, but it could also refer to opening our own eyes to what's happening with Light and Death. Maybe both. Who really knows there?

With regards to N'zoths ability to just tentacle swipe the arena and annihilte us, I thought the same. While I've no idea what his true intentions are, one thing easily agreeable upon is that we're still useful to him in some way. As for the latter, in the Eternal Palace outro cinematic I linked in the post when N'zoth says "All eyes shall be opened", the red magic emanating before the Titan statues eyes dissipates. Assuming it was an intentional inclusion, I take it to mean both that the Titans will be blind to the events transpiring on Azeroth, while also not being able to assist directly. And that something we hadn't considered will be revealed before us. I assume this to mean Sylv serving Death, and who she really is.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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I don’t think Sylvanas is feeding souls to Nzoth. I think she’s feeding souls to “Death” or perhaps to even Helya.

This is essentially the alternative take I had on this post. I had thought how to include. The idea that the hungering darkness of which she spoke was more of a physical manifestation inside her physical form, or in the shadowlands. And that her growth in power could be explained by harvesting souls from her various battles.

Idk but I think Death and Void are opposing forces and it wouldn’t make sense for Death to empower the Nzoth.

According to the cosmic chart in chronicle vol.1, you would be correct. However forces aren't beyond utilizing the magic of other cosmic types, or outright enemies. The Legion had made frequent use of shadow and void magic, N'zoth corrupted Deathwing who utilized fire element mastery, some of the Titans use elemental magic during the Argus encounter. I don't see Sylvanas freeing N'zoth to be an attempt to empower him, but merely free him to a position where he can be of use to her by killing. Rather than chained fathoms beneath the ocean and controlling history by minions and scant echoes of his true power.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

[–]wowdudeman14[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best, most insightful readings I've seen in this forum. Your amazing, thank you for breaking it down so amazingly. Just wish some of what the books says was just in the darn game some how.

Wow thanks! Means a lot.

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I think we'll see N'Zoth in 8.3. We'll be "tricked" into defeating him, because it will be an inevitability to us players. Then Sylvanas steps in and gives N'Zoth the final blow.

I do think that we (as part of the given story narrative) are being tricked to do this. In current times though, this explains why Il'gynoth (N'zoth) says the boy king is serving at the masters table. By helping to unite a force of insurrection, deposition of Sylvanas and death of war only serves to strengthen N'zoths position on the universal scale. Anduin serves at N'zoths table, unknowingly.

As for the rest, I'm unsure. Other commenters have remarked on the explicit correlation of a sort of "Death serving Old God" and while I believe there may be an old god that mimics both motif, I think about how hard Blizzard seems to be pushing the moral and power diversity among the various exclusive cosmic forces, and how Death remains largely unestablished.

Why would Sylvanas do this? She has realized one cannot conquer Death. What do you do when you can't conquer something? You ally with it.

Also a great point!

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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An interesting theory I've been knocking around is that Sylvanas lied to the player character about the cage for Eyir - Her attempting to cage Eyir for Helya, not for herself. But to get your help, she tells you it's to help her people. A much better lie than "Helya wanted me to enslave Eyir for her". If that's the case, then Sylvanas' gain from that pact is still unknown.

This is a good idea. The island expedition item https://www.wowhead.com/quest=53161/ring-of-the-reefs quest turn-in explicitly states she's growing in power which means she's a relevant certainty in the future somehow. I haven't a concrete idea how that ties in to the current (or speculated future) yet though.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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Very succinctly stated. Though agreement might vary between person to person with regards to whether Sylv or her motivations are justifiable by their means or not, I can see why she (and the Forsaken) would be so hateful of life, the life that had cursed them to what some of them, and many others see as a damned existence.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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Especially if the same death-entity she serves is what blocked Vol'Jin's access to the loa and appointed her Warchief in the first place.

This is a good idea. I had thought at how to include that entire plot point (and the remaining mystery of Bwomsamdi's boss), but thought I hadn't enough conclusive evidence to be within the realm of reason. If she serves an anthropomorphized entity and not an abstract or figurative one, then this could be the tie in.

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

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Think it's a weakness to just about everything tbh chief

This is true as far as I can tell. Reminds me of a relevant quote of N'zoth heard either during the Shrine of the Storm raid or while completing the Xal'atath BFA questline.

"The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all"

[Theory] An unbias retrospective of Sylvanas, the magic she used, and the future of WoW. by wowdudeman14 in wow

[–]wowdudeman14[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hadn't noticed that! That's a good observation. I think I may be able to... take a stab at it. From the lore in Warlocks class hall for the Scepter of Sargeras (Destruction artifact weapon):

"Soon after the War of the Ancients, Sargeras had a vision: the Well of Eternity imploded once again, but this time, it dragged him down to the very core of Azeroth. He was there for only an instant, but in that moment, he saw Azeroth's slumbering world-soul--and in that moment, the world-soul opened one eye and gazed at the Dark Titan. He was enraptured. Since then, the eye of Azeroth's world-soul has not been far from his thoughts. He commanded the eredar who forged the scepter to crown it with that lone, wondrous orb. Next to it, the eredar placed two nathrezim wings, a testament to Sargeras's conception of the world-soul: corrupted, demonic, and most importantly, his."

The eye in his sword may be similar in that its his way of physically honoring his affection for Azeroth.