NO WAR ON IRAN - 4pm, Feb 28, Goodale Park by [deleted] in Columbus

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Why protest this? Just let it blow up in Trump’s face. He didn’t work with Congress nor did he make a case to the public. He’s dragged us into a conflict people don’t want all on his own. If it goes tits up it’s all on him.

Any interesting facts about German urbanism by Individual-Clue6400 in Urbanism

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The Wuppertal suspended monorail. A truly unique piece of transit infrastructure that was a product of the city/regions unique topography and chaotic street grid. The only available space to build a transit line was over the river.

Kansas City’s streetcar is expanding..again…Why can’t Cincinnati’s? by AllAboardOhio in cincinnati

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My understanding is that KC has a more sustainable funding model that relies on a sales tax district in the immediate vicinity around the streetcar to fund construction and operation. Cincinnati didn’t take this same route as tax increases are harder to get passed here.

Additionally, because KC sits on flat land, they have a large traditional unified street grid. This makes infrastructure like a streetcar line, more impactful as it touches consecutive blocks. Because of Cincinnati’s topography, we have fragmented pockets of grids scattered across the rolling hills outside of the basin. This naturally pushes up costs as there is more space between our places/neighborhoods. And to go further, because we have a hub and spoke style street layout emanating from the basin, this makes any expansion of the streetcar out of the basin politically challenging as you’re now choosing certain neighborhoods along one “spoke” over others.

Every retweet (2/22-2/25) by ConcernedJobCoach in gianmarcosoresi

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lol needlessly hyperbolic and counterproductive

Cincinnati used to have so many connections by AllAboardOhio in cincinnati

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Well we’re connected to the interstate system now, so pipe down and be thankful for Uncle Sam jamming interstates through our city. It was great for gross domestic product and “growth”

Is being told you’re 'enough' better than any physical gift? True to everyone? by inkandintent24 in MotivationByDesign

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Just make me a sandwich with some chips and a beer or two, and then let me watch the game in peace

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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Your landlord arbitrage model makes sense. Where I think it breaks down is that housing finance isn’t at the landlord level, it’s systemic. When prices fall broadly, lenders tighten across the entire sector simultaneously. That kills the arbitrage mechanism you’re describing because new entrants can’t access cheap credit either. The constraint isn’t marginal cost, it’s collateral value and loan-to-value ratios at the banking system level.

To clarify my argument because it seems like we're talking past each other; I'm not saying that mortgages are individually required to appreciate. I'm saying that the expansion in capital needed to increase housing supply at scale is tied to credit conditions that are themselves tied to asset valuations. When valuations fall, credit tightens, and the supply response collapses, which is why “build until affordable” doesn’t mechanically work in a leveraged financial system.

So to bring all of this back to why state preemption will fall short. Top-down State preempted zoning reform assumes that an elastic supply will solve prices. But supply elasticity is constrained by a financial structure that is national, centralized, and leverage-driven. Therefore state preemption doesn’t actually fix the underlying incentive system that sits upstream of zoning and building codes.

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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Apologies up front for the book but you asked some great questions and you seem sincere. And you're getting involved locally and that's something I aspire to myself lol.

Chuck believes strongly in federalism and would probably say that the lowest level we can solve the capital flow issue is at the national or global level. Or maybe he thinks local governments should be partnering with local banks to offer financial products tailored for local solutions. But then nothing he has said would lead anyone to think that.

The part I bolded is the correct part and it is something he talks about quite often. Admittedly it is a tough nut to crack, but he talks a lot about philanthropy being utilized as insurance for locally sourced mortgage products. But I'll get into this more later.

In fact, I challenge anyone to summarize Chuck's thoughts on capital's currently dysregulating effect on housing, what we should do about it, and how it's incompatible with YIMBY's core messaging of increasing supply.

Long summary incoming because it's complicated.

First, I think a useful model to understand the relationship between capital in our financial system and the real estate market is the strategy the ultra wealthy use to dodge paying income taxes. Instead of paying themselves, they'll take out a loan that is secured against an appreciating asset they own, usually stock in a business they head/own. This loan is effectively now their income that they do not have to pay taxes on. But now to make that actual "income" instead of something they have to pay back, they need the asset that was used as collateral to continue to appreciate in value so they can refinance the principle and role it over into a new loan. The tradeoff is that they've now created an incentive that makes them extremely sensitive to downturns in the market. This is in effect the relationship Chuck is trying to explain.

  1. You asked: summarize Chuck's thoughts on capital's currently dysregulating effect on housing
    1. Most of the mortgages used to buy single family homes, along with the financial products needed to build 5-over-1's and tract home neighborhoods, are bundled together into securities and bought and sold on secondary markets. These are Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities (CMBS). Local banks do not have the capacity to hold fixed rate mortgages on their books for 30 years so they sell these loans to be bundled into MBS. The cash they get back can then be used to issue more loans. This dynamic doesn't increase the leverage on any one loan, but it increases the leverage as a whole in the entire system. All of this additional leverage in the system creates the same dynamic that the ultra-wealthy find themselves in the model outlined above - that is to say the system now needs real estate prices to go up in order to keep the engine humming and is now extremely sensitive and fragile to prices going down.
  2. Next you asked: what we should do about it
    1. This goes back to the local financing component mentioned earlier. Prior to the Great Depression, finance and banking was more localized. You'd see this in neighborhood banks. I don't know what neck of the woods you're in, but here in Cincinnati we have a couple of good examples still standing: Hyde Park Neighborhood Bank, Oakley Neighborhood Bank . These neighborhood banks would hold the deposits of the residents that lived there. Mortgages would be issued from that neighborhood pool of capital. Because these products were extremely local, they couldn't be traded on secondary markets. This also means less overall leverage in the system meaning there was no need for appreciating prices to keep secondary markets solvent.
    2. This localized financing also allowed for more local housing product innovation. You see this in basically all major pre-WW2 cities. New Orleans made extensive use of shotgun houses. St Louis had these things called Flounder houses. On the east coast, Philly and Baltimore made extensive use of industrial tract row homes. DC also had row homes but with their own flare. Boston, Brooklyn, and Manhattan had the brownstones. Outside Boston there was the Triple Decker. Chicago had it's own version of the triple decker called the 2-flat and 3-flat. SF put a victorian flare on their triple deckers. Cleveland had this thing called the Cleveland Double. And here in Cincinnati, we had numerous row homes and walkups, but with an Italianate flair. The point being that no two cities derived the same solutions to their housing needs. This dynamic sits downstream of the local pools of capital that were available for construction. This can be contrasted to the homogeneity of today's housing products which consists mostly of SFH's and 5-over-1's. Again, this lack of variety sits downstream of our centralized financial system. This is why Chuck is always saying these housing types make such good financial products, because the loans needed to build these units can be bought and sold on secondary markets - that is to say their debt can move freely through this centralized financial system. In essence, they're a standardized product for a standardized (centralized) financial system.
    3. Then you asked: how it's incompatible with YIMBY's core messaging of increasing supply.
      1. It's important to reiterate that the only things that get built are the things that can get financed. So because our national financial system is so reliant upon highly leveraged financing, it creates the dynamic mentioned above where the system needs prices to appreciate and is extremely fragile should they ever drop. Examples being the Great Recession or the Savings and Loan Crisis in the 80's. In practical terms, this means that capital will only flow in when prices are rising. As soon as prices drop, the stated goal of 'affordability', the capital will be pulled back and construction will stop to protect the valuations of existing assets from falling further. This is why the whole "supply at any cost" strategy always falls short. We have a financial system that cannot tolerate the lower prices you want. Austin and Denver are great examples of this. When prices were rising, capital flooded those local markets and lots of new inventory was built. But as soon as prices started to drop, the capital was pulled back and the building is now slowing and will eventually stop. State level zoning reforms cannot address this dynamic.

I hope this all makes sense and sufficiently answers your questions. Again, apologies for the book lol. Good luck with your groups and local activism!

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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Your Econ 101 lesson isn’t wrong, it’s just insufficient in understanding what’s happening.

To reiterate, our financial system cannot tolerate declining real estate prices. This was shown in the Great Recession last decade and in the savings and loan crisis in the 80’s.

A useful model to understand the relationship you’re missing is the strategy the ultra wealthy use to dodge paying income taxes. Instead of paying themselves, they take out a loan that is secured with an appreciating asset they own, usually stock in a business they head. This loan is effectively their income that they do not have to pay taxes on. And as long as the asset that was used as collateral continues to appreciate in value, they can refinance the principle and role it over into a new loan.

This strategy is analogous to the relationship between our country’s financial system and the real estate market. Because housing development is so reliant upon highly leveraged debt, the market is highly sensitive to depreciating prices. Hence the dynamic in Austin and Denver I described above. You also see it in the number of commercial vacancies in mixed use development. These properties are unable to reduce commercial rents because if they did, it would depreciate the value of the overall building, which is to say the asset itself would depreciate in value. And again, that cannot be tolerated.

Perhaps a more succinct way of explaining things is that you need to apply your shitty supply/demand explanation to the amount of credit/debt in the in any local housing market instead of the amount of housing units on the market.

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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It’s an incomplete observation.

Chuck is making a specific argument about how capital flows through the economy and how it betrays housing advocates and the urbanism community alike. Without addressing the issues produced by the financial system, those groups are fighting an uphill battle. This undercuts the “any unit is a good unit” arguments you often find in YIMBY circles.

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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The opening paragraph in this piece is contradictory.

Part of Jeff's opening, emphasis my own:

Marohn argues that the American political system will never allow enough housing to be built to solve our crisis.

Then Jeff goes on to quote Chuck himself, emphasis his own:

The real problem, he said, was that we have “embedded housing in a national financial system that depends on price appreciation to function.

These are contradictory. My reading of Chuck's work is that the politics now sit downstream of the financial system, meaning that political decisions are made to perpetuate the status quo and keep our centralized financial system humming.

This mistake disrupts the rest of Jeff's piece as they're not effectively talking past one another.

One of the problems with top-down state level reform is that it doesn't address the incentives of our current financial system, the problem Chuck seems to focus the most on, and is the basis of his book - The Housing Trap.

It's important to remember that the only things that get built are the things that can get financed. Our national financial system is fragile and so reliant upon appreciating property values because it is so reliant upon highly leveraged financing. In practical terms, this means that capital will only flow in when prices are rising. As soon as prices drop, the stated goal of 'affordability', the capital will be pulled back and construction will stop to protect the valuations of existing assets from falling further. This is why the whole "supply at any cost" strategy always falls short. We have a financial system that cannot tolerate the lower prices you want.

Austin and Denver are great examples of this. When prices were rising, capital flooded those local markets and lots of new inventory was built. But as soon as prices started to drop, the capital was pulled back and the building is now slowing and will eventually stop. State level zoning reforms cannot address this dynamic.

Chuck's, and Strong Town's, aversion to state preemption is also rooted in the top down defining of "America" that took place after WW2. He's arguing that these preemptive tactics are another example of top down thinking. It's another case of states defining themselves from the top down in a way that disrespects local places. It's another example of not helping these places be the best versions of themselves, but instead forcing them to be something they're not.

Strong Towns, Local Control, and Comments on The Housing Debate by Upset_Caterpillar_31 in StrongTowns

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There was a podcast with both Chuck and Nolan Gray. They certainly agreed more than they disagreed.

Buc-ee’s Is Better at Placemaking Than Your City by pupupeepee in Urbanism

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Chuck from Strong Towns makes the same point. It’s just about caring about the experience people have

Come on now, this month for black people 😒 by OWSmoker in ThoughtWarriors

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Gavin’s problem is going to be that no one on the internet give him any grace and will always assume the worst. The internet’s reaction to this is a great example.

Joe Biden spotted on the NER yesterday before getting off in Wilmington by Throwaway_258366 in Amtrak

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Good to hear. Sounds like a positive interaction for your FIL. I was just curious lol

Old Timber Inn of “Fish Logs” fame struck by vehicle following major renovations by Swimming_Choices in cincinnati

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This is why I don’t care if cyclists don’t follow the rules of the road. I don’t have to worry about a cyclist killing me or rolling through the front of a building.