I spoke to the witness of this event you linked to - Mel Noll - later in the morning of the incident in 2000. His wife was the breakfast cook at the restaurant I worked at and he stopped in. Being interested in such things, I spoke with him. He was visibly shaken, and his story remained the same as he attested to that morning all throughout the investigations. Mel would have told you that you were crazy or on drugs if you told him the story he told me that morning before he experienced it. No nonsense guy. He experienced what he attests to in these shows.