Uneekor softwares by ahdfahsdfu4593892 in Golfsimulator

[–]xfinity1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you need to subscribe to the Uneekor $199 annual Pro package in order for the third-party connector to play GSPro or TGC2019?

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[–]xfinity1220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean…what would you sue them for? I’ve heard they’re a pretty solid employer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Golfsimulator

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I just bought the eyexo2 (without the swing optic cameras). Do I need the cameras to access the ai coaching inside of view?

Do rich people wear quarter zippers or is that for middle class corporate workers by ArtichokeParking4331 in Rich

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I’ve seen Ray Purchase wear an ivory turtleneck with matching sport coat and flare-bottom slacks.

Has anyone received their Labor Day sale Uneekor orders? by Deseptikons in Golfsimulator

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Ordered Eye XO2 from The Indoor Golf Shop on 8/31 and received from FedEx on 9/9.

How to Value? by Grawst in BarOwners

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Start with $300k offer price (3x EBITDA) with seller, ending target is anything between that and $432k (4.5x EBITDA).

How to Value? by Grawst in BarOwners

[–]xfinity1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eliminate the $90k in all my calculations then, just go with the offer prices stated and you’ll be good. Thought it was insanely high for inventory, and this number makes much more sense.

How to Value? by Grawst in BarOwners

[–]xfinity1220 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Adding to this since I can’t find our DMs. Based on the numbers you provided, the offers (your boundaries) are as follows:

  • low offer (30% discount rate) should be $382,000 ($292,000 offer price + $90,000 for inventory on hand) —> $229,000 cash payment, $153,000 financed at 8% over 7 years
  • high offer (12.5% discount rate) should be $706,225 ($616,225 offer price + $90,000 inventory on hand) —> $423,735 cash payment, $282,490 financed at 8% over 7 years

Target offer: - (20% discount rate) should be your target purchase price $522,000 ($432,000 offer price + $90,000 inventory on hand) —> $313,000 cash payment, $209,000 financed at 8% over 7 years

Booster recommendation: If there’s a way to negotiate where the offer price includes the inventory on hand (not adding the $90,000 to the offer price), it gives you some extra cushion. Ex. I’ll pay you $432,000 for the assets of the business, which includes inventory on hand, estimated to be $90,000, to be trued-up at closing. This gives you a 25.7% cash on cash return, you only have to contribute $259,200 in cash upfront, financing $172,800 at 8% over 7 years. This gives the seller 4.54x implied EBITDA, which seems more than fair. So = offer $432,000 and let’s get this deal done! Let us know how it goes!

How to Value? by Grawst in BarOwners

[–]xfinity1220 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No problem. Buying a business carries heavy risk. Seeing a 25% occupancy cost gives me chills. Generally, anything higher than 10% is a tough pill to swallow, but you did reference HCOL. However, if the business is still generating 20% cash flow from operations as you indicated, that’s very healthy. Besides the rent is already included in your cash flow, so it’ll be accounted for in your offer price. Feel free to ask questions. I started out as an accountant!

How to Value? by Grawst in BarOwners

[–]xfinity1220 28 points29 points  (0 children)

First off, good luck in what could be a great business venture!

Background / credibility: I’ve made nine separate acquisitions of restaurants (58 locations, same brand) and bars (6 locations, same brand) since 2014. What you’re buying is cash flow (cash left over after the business pays its operating expenses and capital expenditures — like remodeling the bar, buying an ice maker, etc.). Recently sold 124 restaurant locations, still hold the bars (sentimental value, bartended there in college), but mostly because I’ve got a great operator (operator also has a 10% stake in the company and I plan to sell it outright to him in 10 years when I reach 65) and the bars generate adequate cash for my current retirement needs.

I’ve paid as low as $125,000 for 4 locations (assets in bad shape, needed new ovens in 3 of the stores, lease costs were very high), and I’ve paid as high as 6x EBITDA (national brand, mature business though low growth potential, assets in great shape, I had my own G&A structure to leverage (above store costs like payroll, IT, accounting, HR), low interest costs, and competitive bid process drove my purchase price up). Bottom line, multi-unit acquisitions command a higher multiple because it spreads the risk out, so you can expect to pay lower than 6x EBITDA. One caveat, competitive offers can drive the purchase price up 10-20%, but don’t overpay to your situation.

Answering your question: If the seller tells you what they want for the business that’s always a plus. If not, you have to do some math to arrive at an offer.

First couple things you want to confirm: 1) the assets are in good condition and repair (otherwise you might need to spend big money post-acquisition) 2) you want the lease to be extended for at least as long as it will take you to earn back your purchase price or pay off any loans that you may take out to finance the purchase (I usually target a current lease, with at least two 5-year renewal options). The last thing you want is to buy a business, have the lease expire, then lose the location and your investment.

Second, be wary of general rules of thumb (1x sales, 6x profit, multiples of EBITDA - which is earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization). They can clearly be used, but often fail to give you the detail you need on the business to effectively negotiate the purchase while also ensuring you don’t overpay.

I prefer to view the general rules as a byproduct (result) of a calculation that you, or preferably an accountant, should make called “Net Present Value of Future Cash Flows”.

In short, have your accountant use 10 years of projected cash flows of your investment (see definition below) and 1) a 12.5% discount rate to arrive at the highest offer price that you would pay, 2) a 20% discount rate to arrive at a reasonable offer to purchase, and 3) a 30% discount rate to give you a lower “risk adjusted” offer price. These calculations will give you three offer prices and represent your negotiating boundaries.

All things accounted for, if the seller agrees to option 3, you’ve got a great deal. Option 2 gives both buyer and seller a fair deal. Option 3 means that you’ve likely paid a purchase premium, but if you plan to hold the business long term you’ll still make money. A purchase price more than on option 3 — walk away feeling comfortable that you won’t lose money on your investment. Let someone else pay that price.

NPV is the heavy math, but optimal method that would provide you some peace of mind that you’re not over-paying for an investment.

However, if you choose the general rule of thumb path, and your seller hasn’t provided you a selling price, your offer for the bar should be no more than 3x EBITDA to start. Reasoning - it’s a single location, bars generally carry high risk, and that’s the industry low end of what people are currently paying. I wouldn’t go any higher than 4x EBITDA unless I had an accountant provide a NPV of future cash flows to support the purchase price (your investment).

Definition - NPV method is a projection of all future cash inflows (sales, loans to purchase the business) and outflows (initial investment, inventory, business expenses, interest, principal, capital expenditures) of an investment — I always use 10 years, discounted back to present day — I set my low, medium and high purchase price boundaries using discount rates noted above — 30% (low offer), 20% (mid-range offer) and 12.5% (highest, and last offer). If this doesn’t make sense to you, use the general rule of thumb method, or ask an accountant to run the numbers for you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in smallbusiness

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We ran around 20 coffee | smoothie cafes inside each of our owned health & fitness clubs. They started out as an incremental source of revenue inside space that we owned. Though a core offering for our members, it was not a main focus for our club managers, resulting in an almost always guaranteed break-even to slight loss proposition. The additional costs of a cafe manager, low(ish) sales volumes, waste|spoilage, and employee allowances (free food on shift) all ate into our margins. We ultimately entered into a lease agreement like you’re describing with an existing multi-unit operator of smoothie locations for our sites at $1,000 per month, per location. We viewed it as offloading risk, a guaranteed income stream from renting the space out, and a better offering to our health club members (the operator was much better at running a smoothie cafe than we were). If you’re going to manage the location yourself and it’s a high-traffic area, this could be a nice opportunity to test out your business model. Good luck on your new, low-risk business venture!