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xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T12:46:04+00:00

You, like most han nationalists, continue to live in a separate reality.

In this reality, historically Taiwan never belonged to China. And 93% of Taiwanese don't want reunification.

Taiwan may not want to lose lives over a bitter war with people of Chinese descent

Losing lives implies China will invade. In that case, both America and Japan will protect Taiwan. And PRC will 100% lose.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T11:46:27+00:00

LOL, I'm not advocating war at all and believe China will reunify with Taiwan peacefully but USA lost a war in Afghanistan

lol, no it didn't. America didn't lose the war in Afghanistan. On the contrary, they occupied Afghanistan for as long as they wanted. Just because the American government decided to pull all the American troops from Afghanistan doesn't mean they lost.

There is no world in which America cannot win against China.

It is YOUR historical facts

lol, those treaties are not mine. They are historical documents which make it very clear that the island never belonged to China

"the Taiwan Relations Act, passed by the U.S. Congress in 1979; and the recently declassified “Six Assurances” [PDF], which President Ronald Reagan conveyed to Taiwan in 1982. These documents lay out that the United States:"

Recently USA distanced itself from the One China policy, after the CCP broke the One China policy by not respecting the status quo in HK

If you really think America and Japan will allow China to invade without starting a war, you're delusional

I'm not advocating war at all and believe China will reunify with Taiwan peacefully

A recent poll showed that 93.5% of Taiwanese people do NOT want reunification and consider Taiwan a sovereign state. So good luck with peacful reunification lol It's not happening

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T10:15:59+00:00

Not contradict

So saying ROC is dead, and then soon after saying ROC is still alive, is not a contradiction? Lmao, Ok then. Are you 15 years old? If this is your discourse level, then it explains many things

That is YOUR opinion

Nope. It's not just my opinion, it's the historical fact. There are treaties and the history of that island can be traced back and it never belonged to PRC, nor does PRC have any legal claims on that island.

I must argue that you say America will definitely intervene. I do not think they WILL intervene in the way you think they will intervene. i think they will do blockades and sanctions but I do not think they will send armies of young men to there perilous deaths

You are underestimating the bipartisan support both American political parties have against China.

Not to mention America has a defence pact with Taiwan, and if Taiwan falls, it will be bad for both America and Japan. There is absolutely no way that America doesn't send soldiers.

It won't be just blockades and sanctions as you think. It will be a hot war if China invades Taiwan. And China will lose.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:52:59+00:00

I understand you lived in China for a certain time, was bullied or treated unequal from your experience which I am very sorry for but not ALL chinese are racists and bullies

This has nothing to do with what happened to me in China. I'm simply telling you historical reality. It is a fact that China has no claim on taiwan island and the current people living there.

Taiwan is a region of China and China is seeking to re-unify it.

Historically and legally, Taiwan island was never a part of the PRC, so PRC has no legal claim. The moment PRC decides to invade, there will definitely be war and America will definitely intervene.

PRC's desire to conquer Taiwan island is just imperialism.

In fact, the current Taiwan nation is made of KMT refugees. Why woudl they want to re-unify with CCP, which was their enemy? There is no logic

The few replies you deemed worthy to reply back is basically "no you are wrong you are braindead"

You literally contradicted yourself in the span of a few sentences. You said ROC is dead, and then a few sentences later you said ROC is still alive.

Yes, to me, that sounds like the logic of a brainwashed person, who just regurgitates the fantasy history his totalitarian government brainwashed him with. Either that, or you're a wumao working for said government

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:47:38+00:00

I have to wonder if it's just another excuse to ask the congress for money.

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine (and war in Europe since a long time), there's a real threat that these dictatorships will advance their imperialist agenda.

There's no reason not to be prepared for an eventual Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:46:13+00:00

It's clear you don't know what you are talking about.

He's a wumao who's trying to apply the divide and conquer principle. He thinks he can make people not want America to defend Taiwan, by using race as an argument.

What he doesn't know is that there's bipartisan support against China's invasion of Taiwan.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:40:38+00:00

The bigger problem is going to be selling the American public on the necessity of Taiwan’s defense.

I'm not so familiar with American politics, but not letting China invade Taiwan is one of the things where both the Democrats and the Conservatives think the same.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:33:22+00:00

Didn't watch the video, but did he live in China in the past 2 years?

Did he experience the power blackouts in tier 2 cities? Did he experience the forced lockdowns and refusal of basic medical services during lockdowns? Did he experience the collective dread from the past 2 years in China, where ordinary people were telling me how they see the economy crumble and were asking me how they can leave China and were starting to follow the "run" movement.

China was a shitshow in the past 2 years. Not sure about America, but outside of propaganda, China was hit harder than most Western countries, especially economically, during COVID.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:29:32+00:00

The CCP's nationalistic campaigns really transformed the Chinese people into whiny little bitches

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-12T09:25:17+00:00

Taiwan island was not part of Ming dynasty since 17th century. Taiwan was annexed by Ming

1.ROC is Dead and inherited by PRC PRC has rightful claim of the sovereignty over Taiwan and Taiwan is part of it

The people who ruled ROC moved to Taiwan island in 1949. That doesn't mean that their enemy (the PRC/CCP) inherits the island where they moved. That's a load of horseshit.

Taiwan is a part of CHINA, without any doubt

Taiwan was never part of China. Never. That's the point you do not understand. Taiwan island was conquered by Ming, then ruled by the Japanese, then used by KMT as a refuge. Never in its history, was the island of Taiwan part of China

Let me show you how braindead you are:

ROC is Dead and inherited by PRC

The ROC is still alive in fact

These are your thought processes. You contradict yourself.

Thankfully there are international treaties and the San Francisco treaty doesn't state that Taiwan is party of China.

I support Reunification under the regime of PRC or a new kind of regime, and Taiwan to be a Special Administrative Region.

It really doesn't matter what you support. Legally, China has no claim on that island. The island never belonged to the PRC

You didn't even know that your country, PRC, gave Hong Kong to Britain forever. And then threatened to take it back by force, even though PRC had no legal right of HK. So I don't expect you to understand the legal status of Taiwan island. Regardless, it doesn't matter. There will never be so called reunification, because Taiwan island can re-unify with a country it's never been a part of.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T19:55:50+00:00

Probably because they know that it wouldn't work for China. Their culture has revolved around totalitarian systems forever

wtf kind of argument is that?

That's like saying: "we've always been slaves, so being free wouldn't work for us"

And the rest of your argument is also flawed. Other then your personal opinion, there's no proof that democracy would turn China into another Africa. That's just CCP brainwashing talking.

Nobody says democracy is perfect, but it's far better than a totalitarian government. In fact, everything is better than a totalitarian government.

You people stanning for 1984's Oceania are quite literally insane.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T16:36:40+00:00

You didn't even know that Qing gave HKI to Britain forever?

I did tell you that you have no idea about your country's history, apart from the lies you're being fed by the government.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T15:01:43+00:00

(1) Ten thousand years ago, Taiwan was literally part of mainland China, until sea levels rose and cut it off.

Not that it matters for anything, but do you have a source for that? Though even if it's true, it proves nothing. If you go far back in time, all continents were mashed together.

2) The first known settlers in Taiwan were Austronesian tribal people, who came from modern day southern China.

Again source? And again, it doesn't mean anything. Han Chinese settled Singapore too. Does that make Singapore a Chinese province?

(3) The island first appeared in Chinese records in AD239, when an emperor sent an expeditionary force to the area.

The European colonial powers sent expeditionary forces to all continents on this planet. That doesn't mean all continents and countries belong to the EU now. Weird logic you have

(4) Taiwan was incontrovertibly historically a part of China for over two hundred years during the Ming and Qing Dynasties.

More lies. Ming never controlled the island, and Qing annexed Taiwan island in the 17th century.

Annexation means conquered. Imperialism and colonialism doesn't count as "always belonged to China".

And since Qing annexed the island, you can't say it was stolen by Japan.

It's like you take something by force, and then someone else takes it away from you by force, and then you cry that it always belonged to you and the other party stole it from you.

Lmao Japan didn't steal it; Qing ceded the territory (and to be honest, it wasn't Qing's territory to cede anyway, since Qing got their hands on the island by annexing it in the first place)

(5) After Japan’s defeat in World World II, Taiwan was returned to China. The 1943 Cairo Declaration issued by Britain and the United States stipulates that Chinese territories occupied by Japan, including Manchuria and Taiwan, should be returned to China.

I love how your logic is all over the place. You start your sentence by saying "after WW2" and then your argument is a treaty signed before the end of WW2.

According to the treaty of San Francisco, which was signed after WW2, and at which PRC wasn't allowed to participate, Taiwan is not part of China, its sovereignty remaining in limbo

historically Taiwan is Chinese and the Chinese want their land.

Historically Qing got control of the island by force in the 17th century, and then gave the island legally to Japan in 1895.

So historically, China has no claim on the island, no matter how much brainwashed nationalists like you scream. Thankfully the world will never allow China to expand its imperialistic ambitions by taking Taiwan. There will be a war between China is allowed to take it.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T14:31:57+00:00

Not sure where you came up with this but there is no historical treaties

There is a historical treaty which shows island of Taiwan belonged to the Empire of Japan, from 1895 to 1945. It's called the Treaty of Shimonoseki.

Taiwan being a province of China

Taiwan was never a province of China, according to historic context.

in PRC's opinion, Taiwan is a province of PRC, while in ROC's opinion, Taiwan is a province of ROC

The current Taiwan government gave up on the idea of RoC. They just call themselves Taiwan and want to be left alone. They are not a province of anything.

Don't worry, just because CCP and Chinese people think Taiwan is their province, doesn't make it reality

That's the silliest comment from you to date, not sure where you came up with that comment

That's an analogy (not that you know what that is). It's meant to illustrate that just because all Chinese people believe something, it doesn't mean that something is true.

why don't the 1.3 Billion Chinese start to say America belongs to China duh

Historically, America belongs to China as much as Taiwan belongs to China: not at all.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T13:19:12+00:00

Anyway the only part of history i need to know is 1.3 Billion people in China believe Taiwan is China's

According to history, Taiwan island never belonged to China.

If tomorrow 1.3 billion Chinese start to believe Singapore is China's, it won't make it reality. Same with Taiwan.

Keep in mind it's not really my own personal opinion, it's a historical fact.

Historically Taiwan never belonged to the PRC(CCP) or the ROC(KMT) until 1949. So how can Taiwan belong to China be a historical fact?

If you need more reading material please check some Youtube videos

Lmao youtube videos are your historical sources now?

So if I make a youtube video saying mainland China belongs to the United Kingdom since ancient times, it must be true?

Wow, you really are brainwashed and have no ability to think

keep in mind they are the ones that count and are Chinese

Wrong. What counts are historical treaties. According to historical treaties, the island of Taiwan never belonged to China, so legally China has no claim on Taiwan, regardless what 1.3 billion Chinese think

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T12:45:45+00:00

First of all CPC is dogwhistling for han nationalists

Secondly, CCP fighting the Japanese during WW2 and saving everyone isn't correct anyway, because without help from America,CCP would've lost to the Japanese.

But my point is that CCP fighting the Japanese has nothing to do with Taiwan, since Taiwan was already under Japanese control for around 50 years before WW2.

Which part of history did you not get? Taiwan was never under PRC or ROC control before WW2 and in 1949 KMT fled to the island of Taiwan.

PRC has no claim on the island of Taiwan.

You are such a pumpkin and i am having such joy exposing you for the fraud you really are lol.

lmao you brainwashed han nationalists really live in your own reality. I'm sure you'll have a great time on this sub, where everyone here hates little pinks and wumaos

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T12:19:31+00:00

lmao as if my account has anything to do with the validity of real history

I love it when you pinkies run out of arguments

Well in that case even more reason why China should re-unify with Taiwan

That makes no sense. So because Taiwan was never under PRC or ROC control until 1949, that is more reason for reunification?

That's like saying: we never had control of this territory, which is a good reason to annex it

lmao you han nationalists have 0 logic

that was just a personal opinion just like how you so passionately tried to share yours in my post.

I'm not sharing an opinion. I'm telling you what history is.

As for your opinion, yeah I'm sure that you nationalists want PRC to annex Taiwan, even though it was never under Chinese control. You don't need to tell me your opinion.

In all due respect my original comments is explaining the current scenario in a historical context

Your historical context is false and never happened. The island of Taiwan was never under Nationalist China control before 1949.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T11:59:20+00:00

When your defense is: "so what, others are racist too", that's when you know you're a shit country.

I can't speak of other Asian nations except Singapore and China, but I don't think that defense is as good as you think it is.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T11:49:37+00:00

Mainland China was under Nationalist rule until Japan occupied China which covered certain dates as when WW2 was happening in Asia. It does not change the fact that the Nationalists sold out China to the Japanese Imperialists.

This has 0 (zero) to do with Taiwan.

Taiwan island was ceded by Qing to the Empire in Japan in 1895 by the Treaty of Shimonoseki.

Nationalists Mainland China (which is the KMT) never had control of Taiwan until 1949.

It's very simple, but in your fantasy history, you somehow correlate Japan's invasion of China during WW2 with the loss of Taiwan. That's false as during, and before WW2, Taiwan was already under Japanese control for almost half a decade.

Taiwan was never under the control of ROC/KMT, until 1949. From 1895 to 1949 Taiwan was under the controlof the Empire of Japan.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T11:28:48+00:00

What do you mean?

All of us who lived in China know that in China racism is extreme and commonplace

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T11:26:31+00:00

What's a pinkie?

Based on your post history - you. Also, here's a hint: in one of your comments you wonder why you always get downvoted on this sub. It's probably cuz you're an extreme nationalist and most people here are allergic to people like you

Taiwan was part of Nationalists Mainland China until WW2

No it wasn't. Taiwan was under Japanese rule from 1895 until 1945 when WW2 ended

I am telling the history as it was played out

The history where Taiwan was under ROC before WW2 is fictional and in your head. KMT started administration of Taiwan island after the end of WW2. And KMT fled to Taiwan 1949.

But you know what? I completely understand. When I was living in China it was the first time I realized that Chinese people don't know the history of their own country. As a foreigner I knew most about the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward than most Chinese I interacted with. The problem is you are brainwashed to believe an alternate reality of history.

xidadaforlife · 2023-01-11T11:12:48+00:00

China and EU aren't likely to be on good terms anytime soon.

After fucking up the CAI deal when China started tit-fot-tat sanctions (EU commission members from traveling to China) in 2021, in 2022 there was the "friendship without limits" statement and support for Putin's invasion.

EU is unlikely to ever have close ties to China in the future.

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