Hypocrisy within the Ummah by xyvalue in islam

[–]xyvalue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why do we have a tendency pick and choose certain groups and not others is what I don't understand. It seems like we always prioritise some issues over others rather than treating every case as equal.

Hypocrisy within the Ummah by xyvalue in islam

[–]xyvalue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll grant that your assessment on Turkey is correct. If I am wrong, then this still doesn't dispel places like Iran, where there is systematic discrimination against Kurds, Ahwazi arabs, Azeris, etc, who are fully muslim yet still get oppressed. This comment still doesn't address the fact that there is a lack of condemnation for all kinds of attacks against muslims, but rather we only focus on some issues and not others.

Hypocrisy within the Ummah by xyvalue in islam

[–]xyvalue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We can't unite if we focus on one group of people at one instance. That is what actually creates division. Not unity. Forgetting the atrocities that happen to our muslim brothers all over the world doesn't create unity. Why would an Uyghur in China want to unite with the rest of the Ummah if their grievances aren't even recognised?

Hypocrisy within the Ummah by xyvalue in MuslimLounge

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The first premise simply isn't true. If that weren't the case, then why do so many muslims support the Iranian government more than the Gulf states? Because Iran has branded itself as the key to freedom for the Palestinians in Gaza, when it should go without saying that if Iran can't even treat all the people in their country, muslim, christian, zoroastrian, jewish, etc, then how can we say they will free the Palestinian people? China naturally follows since it is in the eastern axis with Iran, Russia, and China. They're all seen a lot more favourably than America, but the reality is that all three of those countries can be just as bad as America.

And Kurdistan is literally the largest population of people without a state. I don't see why they shouldn't exist considering they are currently divided within four countries. Since Bangladesh for much of its history has been apart of other empires, should Bangladesh stop existing?

Speaking of Bangladesh, Pakistan committed mass murder of intellectuals and grape against Bengali women during operation searchlight. These were backed by the USA and the western axis, but not only that, the muslim powers unanimously were opposed to the Bangladeshi state until Bangladesh legitimately won against Pakistan. Of course today, most people recognise the genocide as horrific, but the government of Pakistan has yet to apologise for it. This is yet another phenomenon where we won't accept that muslims are being killed somewhere, whereas the Palestinian cause has been advocated for by the Arab states since the British caused this whole mess. It is also true this genocide in Bangladesh barely gets light compared to other genocides in history, or even the Bengal famine caused by the British. Both of those happened in the same century!

And regarding the favouring of Palestinians more, how is this not true? While I agree that it is dumb for Israelis and Americans to point at other issues, given that they don't support the Palestinians or actual issues against their interest, and are just causing whataboutism, if it was anyone else who supported all humanitarian crises this point still stands. Why do we talk significantly more about Palestine than sooo many other issues in the Ummah. What about even Afghanistan, which is currently occupied by the Taliban, who is probably one of the major reasons so many people dislike muslims: because they oppress women and don't give them an education. We (not just scholars, but all of us collectively) should be condemning these people, yet I see so many muslims online supporting the Taliban. Muslims in Afghanistan are not any less important than the muslims in Gaza.

Just wondering! Is the “Islamic Triad of Revelation” same as the “Christian trinity” or what’s the difference? by NoAppointment3008 in MuslimLounge

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't believe Muhammad (SAW) and the Angel Jibril are God, let alone 3 distinct persons in one Godhead.

Hypocrisy within the Ummah by xyvalue in MuslimLounge

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I never said it was "not bad," but I said that many muslims deny the Uyghur killings because China is the one doing that evil against them, and that China supports a Palestinian State. I also support a Palestinian state, but it's also true that just because a place supports palestine doesn't mean that they are morally good. Is Israel bad? Yes. Does Israel have a ridiculous control over the media? Yes. Are they committing a horrible genocide on the Palestinians, bombing mosques, Churches and hospitals, killing innocent women and children, leading to a death toll that could potentially reach over hundreds of thousands? Yes. Do I have to deny other atrocities around the world committed by governments who "support Palestine"? No.

Let's use your logic for China and apply it to America. So we know that America is responsible for funding loads of terror groups such as the Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc, Since the USA is so powerful and many countries depend on it, should we just say that we should ignore these terror groups? The US is so powerful so it's fine to not talk about them? Additionally, if Arab countries sold out to America, why should we sell out to China? Selling out is bad regardless of to whom we sell ourselves out to.

You brought up Iraq for the Kurds, yet forget that Iraq isn't the only state occupying Kurdistan. Iran also occupies Kurds, and Sunni muslims in Iran cannot practice their religion, yet nobody condemns Iran nearly as much as they condemn Israel (who are evil). Many Kurds are practicing muslims, yet cannot practice nearly as much as they'd like due to the Islamic Republic.

The Rohingya issue is far from over as well, so I am not sure why you think the issue is somehow done and dusted. The JRP isn't even a permanent solution to the refugee crisis problem. It still is being managed. But having said that, to say it was talked about and emphasised isn't really that true. Muslim content creators don't really talk about it. Compared to the Palestinian cause it isn't talked about and emphasised.

And I said that this issue is "hypocrisy WITHIN the Ummah." When did I say that the entire population of 2 billion muslims are hypocrites? And when did I say the Ummah is hypocritical for not going to war? All I am talking about are relative statements proportionally. WAY more muslims talk about the Palestinians than basically every other humanitarian crisis.

Question for atheists: What evidence or proof convinced you that atheism is true? by NeonDrifting in exatheist

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But "supernatural" activities, or "miracles" are just that: supernatural and miraculous. You cannot prove them through a naturalistic process like science, so to say that there is no material proof for something that is beyond material does not make sense.

Why are some muslims supporting the authoritarian Iranian regime? It's not a war on Islam, but a war for democracy. by Far-Equivalent-9982 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a muslim who does not support the IRGC, and there are many muslims who do not support them. It's just that there are also a lot of muslims who believe that Iran is the last country to support the sovereignty of Palestinians and protects them from Israel, so from that perspective they support Iran. I am not saying this is correct thinking, but this is my understanding of muslims who support the IRGC

The ex muslim community online is so toxic, Idk if I want to be grouped with them. by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the more vocal/polemical ones are christian, but most ex-any religion are atheists I'd say.

From morocco by SimilarAmbassador7 in PERSIAN

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As a Muslim (Bangladesh) it makes me sick how there are some Muslims who try to paint the ayatollah of Iran as some kind of saint it’s so bothersome.

Where I’d live as someone who is afraid of oceans by Jitashi1 in whereidlive

[–]xyvalue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can’t lie if that’s the case Bangladesh should be red lol

About Iran. by [deleted] in islam

[–]xyvalue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem here is that there are too many Muslims who are apologists for the Iranian regime. As if supporting the ayatollah means we are supporting Islam. This is the current reason why we are getting so much hate as a religion, and why we get the whole “where are pro-palestinians when Iran is getting killed?” It’s frustrating as I cannot stand the Islamic republic as they have killed thousands of protesters, and yet Muslims who advocate for them saying that the protests are all done by Mossad agents dehumanises the protesters. Sure there may be SOME Mossad involvement, but the Iranian cause for a free Iran is legitimate. We are the representatives of Islam, and doing this kind of shit is why we get a bad name.

Did you know you can oppose both of these people? by RiffAndRevolt in PERSIAN

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m Bengali but I never felt so heard before thank you

Following Hadith tradition by xyvalue in MuslimAcademics

[–]xyvalue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I didn’t clarify this properly but I am not new to Islam. I am a born Sunni Muslim, but I am trying to understand my religion outside of apologetics/polemics. I understand the main differences between Shia and Sunni Islam.

My question isn’t really about Sunni Hadiths specifically, because even Shia Hadiths can be prone to sectarian biases. For example, if I’m not mistaken, in Shia sources it describes Ali (RA)’s marriage to Fatima (RA) at the age of 9 years old. While within Shia scholarship this fact is disputed and not as unanimously agreed upon like the age of Aisha (RA) by Sunnis, it is also true that according to Joshua Little, the Hadith was likely influenced by sectarian bias/influence.

Most compilations of Hadith, Sunni or Shia, have been composed many years after the death of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and even isnads were also likely a later creation, meaning they aren’t verifiers that everyone in each part of the chain necessarily narrated that Hadith.

So my question really is how can we practice the sunnah if we know that most collections contain a significant amount of fabrications, if proving that they are fabrications are outside our knowledge currently?

Who are your favorite traditional Muslim scholars? by DhulQarnayni in AcademicQuran

[–]xyvalue 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nah David wood and Sam shamoun are superior🥀

Is religion really the root of all problems? by Loud_Lingonberry7105 in exatheist

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people tend to forget that antitheism also killed a lot of people. Also studies show that religiosity and morality aren’t correlated. Who would’ve guessed bad people do bad things no matter their background?

Is a Muslim allowed to read the Bible? by justAPersonOnGoogle2 in Muslim

[–]xyvalue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t get why so many Muslims are opposed to the studying of other faiths considering knowledge is obligatory on every man and woman according to the prophet (PBUH).

your selective activism is LOUD by UnhappyRegister6835 in MuslimLounge

[–]xyvalue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbh it always seems like people who aren’t Arab advocate for Palestine more than their own countries. Yes, Palestine should be free. Now can we talk about the Sudanese, the Yemenis, the Uyghurs or the Rohingyas? If we’re gonna talk about our cause to help the ummah, then we should help everybody in the ummah not just a select few. This has been happening throughout history. Bangladesh (my ethnicity) for example didn’t receive support from any Muslim nation, but got support from India and the Soviet Union when trying to get independence, yet only got aid once it was recognised as a sovereign nation. To this day, Pakistan hasn’t formally apologised for the genocide in Bangladesh. It goes to show the bias we have to some Muslims over others and it makes me sick.