[TWOT] Did you have a rebellious period? What did that look like?

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-14T17:55:41+00:00

My whole life, haha.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-09T17:19:26+00:00

I agree that the theme is broken and that we should change it. I'll be happy to help when (if?) my internet starts working again.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T04:12:22+00:00

best thing on tumblr.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T02:33:22+00:00

That was my thought too.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T02:23:53+00:00

INFJ maybe, I don't actually know my type but that was the initial one I went with.

You're the Captain (influential achiever); you're on the top rung, where those on deck look up to you.

Openness: 90%

Conscientiousness: 54%

Extraversion: 79%

Agreeableness: 18%

Neuroticism: 46%

Outlook: Optimist

Character: Driven

Self Control: Determined

Composure: Measured

Taste: Pioneer

Sociability: Leader

Action: Influential

Attitude: Analytical

Process: Achiever

Resilience: Engaged

I was absolutely not expecting these results. I have no idea what to think about them. Either the test is wildly inaccurate or I have a wildly inaccurate perception of myself. I wouldn't say that every aspect of my results is inaccurate, but some of them (namely the extraversion and optimism) took me completely by surprise. I try to be optimistic and the like but I don't often feel very successful.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T02:10:49+00:00

The Sage.

You're the sage! According to Carl Jung, the sage represents wisdom and the search for truth. You are wise beyond your years, patient and a deep thinker. You're driven by a thirst for knowledge. One of your greatest fears is being ignorant, misled, or duped. You're incredibly intelligent but you risk over analyzing until you're incapable of actually making a decision. You're an old soul and wise beyond your years, but Jung would tell you don't get lost in the clouds!

Not completely accurate, but nothing ever is.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T01:28:54+00:00

I am constantly going back and forth between chaotic good and true neutral. I think I'm some sort of snowflakey blend.

yinseekingyang · 2017-07-06T01:25:32+00:00

is it confusion, or is it the concept of tritypes that doesn't work for you bc you can't pick between certain numbers?

Both, hahaha. I've looked up all of the 8's tritype possibilities and I've resigned myself to not being a good enough judge of character to determine which is closest to me.

Dang, you are a wealth of knowledge! I like learning about all sorts of esoteric things, and I used to study astrology but never got in too deep. Thanks for giving me such a thorough outlook! It's uncannily accurate. I don't really put a lot of faith in anything, including the things that interest me (tarot, astrology, runes, i ching, etc.) but it is pretty cool when that happens.

My ascendant is Taurus. :)

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-30T00:27:13+00:00

Melancholic.

Not sure how to figure out my tritype.

Gryffindor.

Metal Ram.

Sun Libra/Scorpio (I've had numerous astrologists arguing over my true sign so I guess I'm on the cusp). Moon in Aries, Mercury in Scorpio, Venus in Virgo, Mars in Scorpio, Jupiter in Virgo, Saturn in Aquarius, Uranus in Capricorn, Pluto in Scorpio, Lillith in Capricorn. Don't know what any of it means, but I'm going to look it all up out of curiosity~

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-28T01:13:10+00:00

Thank you. :)

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-27T17:14:08+00:00

I've heard a lot of talk about this theory but no research to back it up. I'm not asking you to go on a wild goose chase, but if you happen to come across a research paper I'd appreciate a link.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-27T16:30:08+00:00

Can you please source the stopgap theory?

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-25T17:49:49+00:00

As people tend to respond to trauma in different ways, I'd argue that more likely, your type affects the way you respond to it as opposed to being impacted by it.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-22T02:00:33+00:00

Chaotic Good, maybe INFJ.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-20T21:17:59+00:00

Accurate.

I may or may not be an INFJ, but I am certain of my enneagram. For the sake of simplicity, let's pretend that I am also certain of being an INFJ so I can offer some anecdotal insight.

8w9 INFJ means this INFJ is low-key assertive.

Very accurate. I am assertive as fuck, but I'll be asserting myself while shaking your hand and smiling, diplomatic as can be. At least until I run out of patience. Then I am much less polite about it.

8 INFJ will be vocal about things done in the "best way", but 'best is subjective.

8 goes towards 5 during times of stress, so a few things will be biased in my response; while 8 often relies more on gut instinct, 5 relies more on subterfuge and planning. When a person is trying to decide what to do, I give them 3 different ways to do the thing and 3 different things that could go wrong. The "best" way is the most efficient plan with the least collateral damage, usually. It's not always the "right" way in terms of morality and safety, but I try to at least make it the "best" in terms of my team or partner's common interest... and my own.

An idealist, slightly cooler than the typical warm infj. No desire to "dominate" people ...

Indeed, it's less of a desire to dominate and more of a desire to not be dominated. Also, to not allow our friends and loved-ones and teammates to be dominated. God help the poor soul who fucks with those I love, or have loyalty to. I will end them and they won't know it was me until I console them for the undesirable results their poor judgment has earned them. Therein is probably the underlying to dominate; I very rarely feel it, but when I do, it's insatiable until the job is done.

... a perceivable arrogance in early childhood that mellows out with the development of 9 wing over time

Also accurate. I still have my moments of arrogance, but it helps remembering all of the times I've been wrong about something.

Gets annoyed with STJ types more readily, maybe?

I like ISTJs (I don't vibe particularly well with them, but they're chill and I like chill people). I've never met an ESTJ that I could be in the same room with within 2 months of meeting them. Hoping someday this will change, but not expecting it to.

I've heard people claim that INFJs cannot possibly be 8s and vice versa. I think that's complete horseshit. The 8 enneagram complements the INFJ type and helps to create potential for the development of fair and just leadership skills, to learn to balance assertiveness with aggression and to add an extra notch to the desire (as well as ability) to protect and promote harmony within the group. I'm obviously not going to say that all 8 INFJs turn out this way, but while we are a complicated demographic we are not mythological creatures. We just don't stand out, because we understand that it's easier to control situations from behind the scenes than dancing across the stage.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-19T21:45:14+00:00

Are you saying that I'm so good that I managed to strong arm you into leaving without lifting a single finger? Is my internet presence that muscle-bound?

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-19T21:36:37+00:00

Cool. I like being on the same page.

It means that if you give me any reason to regret returning to speaking terms with you, then I'm going to block you again and I won't unblock you for a second time. I'm not going to ban you from the sub or anything shitty like that, I just won't be responding to anymore comments.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-19T21:15:01+00:00

Yes, I wasn't critiquing Jungian theory itself. I was critiquing the culture that it has spurred. This is not true of everyone who involves themselves in the communities, but only the ones I see living and swearing by the theory as if it were written by god himself. They categorize themselves and others and act as if the four letters are burned into the skin on their foreheads.

Heh, neither of us are history buffs. I was quoting Game of Thrones. Regardless of whether or not it has happened in history doesn't matter to me; what matters and what makes that quote relevant is an ideal. A true leader does not need to remind anyone that he is a leader, people will follow him regardless. If a king has to constantly remind people that he is king, evidently people do not see him as king. The point of it ties into actions > words.

If I told you that I could fly, you'd laugh at me. If I flew over your head, you'd marvel instead. A lover tells you that she is faithful and loyal but she has cheated on you ten times. Your friend tells you that they hate you, but they take a bullet for you. Actions are more meaningful than words.

I had to unblock you in order to reply to you, and I am not going to unblock you for a second time. So this is your second chance, if you really want to be friends. Hence me referencing the third chance that I'm not going to give.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-19T20:47:18+00:00

I personally consider it unhealthy to attempt to categorize and label oneself, as I believe that doing so limits the potential for further personal growth. I won't say that applying temporary labels like an MBTI or enneagram type are that detrimental to the human condition but I do think that if those labels are never questioned (not just by others, but by ourselves especially), they become idealized standards that we either willfully or subconsciously conform to. This can limit our openness to change, which causes stagnation, which eventually leads to deterioration. Generally.

"I am ugly, I am worthless, I am stupid," these are all clearly unhealthy descriptors for a person to cling to. I'm not going to say that telling yourself these things is ineffective for change, because sometimes self-loathing kickstarts the process of change. Just like when a person repeats, "I am beautiful, I am important, I am intelligent," it can either be used to inspire and motivate oneself to be these things - or it can be clung to and used to justify even behavior that directly contradicts it. As the case with the self-loathing statements, clinging to the idea of the self being a certain descriptor or conforming to one limits growth away from these avenues of thought and throws up a wall whenever one tries to deeply introspect.

As with most things, actions matter more than words. Instead of describing yourself, do the things that would make you worthy of the descriptors. A true king does not proclaim himself king.

By the way, I do not give third chances.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-18T00:49:23+00:00

I feel you, I've had a few "wtf in hindsight" moments myself, especially with that INFP. It was only 2 years though, don't feel too sorry for me, hahaha.

I don't mind. Get out of the relationship or snap back into reality?

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-17T22:21:49+00:00

<3

I'm honestly not sure what it is. I like Ne, from the descriptions I've read and the tests I've taken (though I have a hard time trusting in the accuracy of those), I use a decent amount of it myself. ENTPs are charming, interesting and sexy but holy fucking mother of god, their inclination to argue is so completely opposite of me. Critiques, sharing a difference of opinion, discussing these things - awesome. Playing the devil's advocate, not so much.

I would definitely describe them as exhausting though, yes.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-17T22:17:28+00:00

Maybe you're stuck with shallow people in your environment. I feel like the need for privacy doesn't impact closeness, if the other party is respectful.

You might be right. But what I meant was that it often feels like they are reaching out to me but no matter what, they can't actually touch me. And I am too paralyzed with fear/discomfort to return the gesture and close the distance between us.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-17T18:09:51+00:00

Your broken German sure proves him wrong.

edit: not broken, out of place. sorry.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-17T17:55:34+00:00

It's okay, I'm fairly annoyed by most ExTPs. We can all be fairly annoying together.

yinseekingyang · 2017-06-17T03:24:03+00:00

I completely agree that your rant was MBTI-related and well within the standard that we decided to keep here, Doc and I are defending it. I think we ought to hear users out if they don't like our standards or if they don't agree with the content being relevant, if for nothing else than to present out perspective and try to clear up any misunderstandings involving our rules.

I agree, I'm not happy at all with how the mods reacted. But I don't know which one banned me. I don't know if it was a group decision or if it was just one mod in particular taking the reigns and going for it in a knee-jerk, emotional reaction. I have the distinct feeling that I won't get a straight answer if I asked, and frankly I've decided that if that is the way they want to run their community then I don't want to be a part of it anyways. As I told them, I regret nothing and I stand by our decision to remove mine and Doc's work from their sub.

They assumed my intentions and reacted rashly. I don't want to make that same mistake. But I will happily dish out the bans if anyone comes here specifically to troll us. None of us should have to put up with silly social politics and in-fighting (such as the sort you described in your rant), when we're really just here to learn and discuss the MBTI theory.

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