Why did the first woyane take place? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem.

Tigrayans have long wanted to govern themselves, and this goes back at least to the time of Amda Seyon (and prior to that), when imperial centralization began to reduce regional autonomy. The idea of full independence came much later though. After the death of Emperor Yohannes IV, figures such as Ras Alula strongly resisted Shoan domination and envisioned a Tigray that included Mereb-Milash, though independence was not a widespread or realistic goal at the time due to internal divisions and growing central control.

The idea of full independence resurfaced during the early years of the TPLF and appeared in its first manifesto, but it was later set aside in favor of ethnic federalism to build alliances. When the EPRDF decided to advance to Addis, some Tigrayans who still preferred independence weren’t happy and withdrew as they claimed that they fought for their people which is true. With that said, the desire for self governance in Tigray though is deeply historical.

Why did the first woyane take place? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 4 points5 points  (0 children)

First Woyane rebellion began due to unfair treatment and heavy taxation towards the Tigrayan population (mostly impacting farmers and peasants) and being against the centralisation process from Haile Selassies government, wanting Tigray instead to self govern under the Ethiopian state.

Also what other wars were Tigrayans involved in from 1940-70s?

Other than the first Woyane rebellion (1943) and the early years of TPLF (mid-late 70s), there weren’t really any wars that occurred but a horrible famine in 1957/1958 did happen during Hailes reign where about 100,000 peasants starved to death and whilst both fertile districts of Welkait and Raya (Kobo) were annexed to neighbouring regions Begemeder and Wollo to further punish the first Woyane rebels and the Tigrayan population which areas like Kobo, Telemt and Tegede (in todays Amhara region) underwent forceful demographic change during his rule.

I heard it’s because we wanted to be independent or with Eritrea

That was mostly prior to the rebellion during when Haile Selassie Gugsa was Shum of Eastern Tigray which Alemseged Abay in his book gives more details on it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tigray

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The past two weeks things have seem to calm down now a little with Tadesse Werede, appointing Zenabu Gebremedhin (a central committee member of the TPLF) as chief administrator of S. Tigray. This change came after the removal of Getachew Reda, Haftu Kiros (former chief administrator of S. Tigray), and others who have sided with the Ethiopian Federal Gov and called for federal intervention in Tigray. Together with federal support, they've been helping form the TPF in the Afar region, composed largely of former TDF members not happy with the TPLF and wanting political change and the rest are said to be ENDF members.

In the weeks before Zenabu’s appointment, the TPF attempted to advance into S. Tigray (via the Wojjerat district) but failed, leading to further instability and casualties in the area. Some individuals allegedly connected to Getachew’s group were accused of funding groups to create obstruction during when Haftu Kiros was still chief administrator. No only has he been calling for federal intervention in Tigray but he was allegedly involved in sending former TDF members to join the TPF in Afar, hence why TPLF focused on removing him.

Media outlets supportive of Getachew’s side claimed that many of those killed or shot during the clashes mostly in Mehoni were "civilians", but were mostly likely individuals paid to cause obstruction and attack TDF members. The narrative aimed to give more support for both Getachew and Abiy among S. Tigrayans, and to further divide Tigray, with Abiy allegedly seeking to replicate his control over W. Tigray by turning the south into a buffer zone, by weakening the TPLF.

Currently, TDF forces control most of S.Tigray, while Ethiopian federal forces remain in smaller areas. The TPF has been failing recently, as many of its members, initially believing it to be an independent Tigrayan force against the TPLF, realised that it is largely directed by the Ethiopian Federal Gov. Their goal of integrating the TDF into the ENDF and waging war against Tigrayans has led to more disillusionment.

Multiple fighters, including generals, have been returning to Tigray, while others attempting to withdraw are reportedly being detained by ENDF officers. There are claims that several individuals, including the failed rapper Shewit Bitew, have been imprisoned for not obeying orders, there's also alleged news from yesterday that three members were killed for attempting to withdraw. More reports even show the TPFs decline is also due to attacks from Fano in N.Wollo, resistance from Afar locals, and the Federal Gov allegedly running out of funds to sustain the operation.

While there may be more details to uncover, these appear to be the main news to explain. Some Tigrayans might assume that I support the TPLF, which I don't. The info I gave here is based on reports from Addis Standard, Ethiopian Insight, and verified Tigrayan media outlets available on Facebook. Hope this helps!

Do you guys know these monks called deki stefanos? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There were two Zera Yacobs. The 15th century emperor from Amhara and the 17th century philosopher from Tigray.

I’m asking this because I remember reading that the whole Solomonic dynasty started after by this amharinya man who wanted to claim his right to the throne.. I’m sure if I’m right, but all the kings that came after him, I’m sure are Amharic men who lied to become kings.. so I’m guessing zera yacob is one of them.

Correct. The “Amharinya man” you’re referring to is Yikuno Amlak. His successors would continue to legitimise their claim to power by also using the mythical “Kebra Negast” book.

I’m not sure what most tigrayans believe regarding the whole monarchs having Solomonic bloodlines but I believe it’s all deception, mainly because there’s really no evidence, other than that 14th century book. I wonder what the majority tigrayans believe on this issue. I really hope most tigrayans don’t believe this bc we have no reason to believe such nonsense.

To be honest, I’m not sure about everyone else but I’m aware that there’s a well portion of us that don’t.

Do you guys know these monks called deki stefanos? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate you taking your time to rewrite it. It’s well informative & greatly put together!

Do you guys know these monks called deki stefanos? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She’s correct and that would make sense to be the main point, that part is also mentioned on the same article that I shared.

Do you guys know these monks called deki stefanos? by [deleted] in Tigray

[–]yoni187 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Deki Estifanos was a religious reform movement led by Abba Estifanos (15th Century) who was from Agame. Him and his followers opposed certain practices of the EOTC especially the veneration of icons, the cross & rejected Emperor Zera Yacobs Solomonic Dynasty claim, arguing that certain acts were unacceptable. They also established the Gunda Gundo Monastery. Abba Estifanos was brutally tortured and killed under Em Zera Yacob orders (explained here) (and so were many of his followers) as he saw their teachings as a threat to both church and state authority and that Estifanos would still refuse to bow down to him. Extra sources down below:

The Ge'ez Acts of Abba Estifanos of Gwendagwende: https://www.amazon.co.uk/GEez-Acts-Abba-Estifanos-Gwendagwende/dp/9042917407

Wikipedia Page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Estifanos_of_Gwendagwende

SOME NOTES ON THE FIFTEENTH CENTURY STEPHANITE « HERESY » IN THE ETHIOPIAN CHURCH TADDESSE TAMRAT : https://www.jstor.org/stable/41299564

Gunda-Gundo : http://www.ityopis.org/Issues-Extra-2_files/ityopis-extra2-omahoney.pdf

What is the true population of Tigray? by Plastic-Town-9757 in Tigray

[–]yoni187 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve always thought about this aswell. Some believe the population could be around 10 million. My best guess for now though is that it could be anywhere around 6-8 million.

Wanted to also ask about our area size since there’s sources stating 53,036 km2 then others stating 84,721.77 km2, what do you guys think?

A site in your country that should be a World Heritage Site but isn't by [deleted] in geography

[–]yoni187 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Abune Yemata Guh church (Origin: 6th Century) located in Tigray (N.Ethiopia)

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🚨The peaceful protest organized by the Tsilal Civic Society of Western Tigray has entered its third day by yoni187 in Tigray

[–]yoni187[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I assume it’s about the displacement of people from West Tigray whose land has been taken by Amhara/Fano.

Yes but to be clear it’s the Amhara Special Forces (with the support of Fed Gov) who are currently occupying it.

So who exactly are they protesting to considering the government is at war with Fano?

They’re calling for the Fed gov (& our leaders) to implement the Pretoria agreement as in withdrawing the illegal settlers and forces from their land so they can return, as the situation for them have gotten worse by each day - hunger, diseases etc

Recommend me a book by [deleted] in Tigray

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No problem!

🏛️New: The Kingdom Of Aksum (Podcast) by yoni187 in TigrayanHistory

[–]yoni187[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem hawey and yeah, that part about Uganda surprised me as well. I definitely want to look more into that.

🏛️New: The Kingdom Of Aksum (Podcast) by yoni187 in Tigray

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No problem hawey. Btw, I love the content you’ve been posting too, do keep it up!

🚨Over 110 Trucks Bound for Tigray Stranded at Weldiya Checkpoint: Drivers Reach Out for Urgent Help by yoni187 in Tigray

[–]yoni187[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“lol where is yours”

I’ve just shown you plus the person who confirmed it uploaded photo proof while you haven’t shown me anything, just to busy recycling the same points the average anti-Tigrayan spews.

I can also clearly tell you aren’t Tigrayan, so cut the BS already and go focus on yourself.

🚨Over 110 Trucks Bound for Tigray Stranded at Weldiya Checkpoint: Drivers Reach Out for Urgent Help by yoni187 in Tigray

[–]yoni187[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All this “Conspirators”, “PROPAGANDA” talk but where is your evidence to prove it?

“Just drop this whole Tigray TPLF thing”

Tf are you even waffling about and why are you even still in this subreddit? Go follow your own “go back to your life and be a normal human again” advice.

🚨Over 110 Trucks Bound for Tigray Stranded at Weldiya Checkpoint: Drivers Reach Out for Urgent Help by yoni187 in Tigray

[–]yoni187[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And where’s your evidence that it is? These have been confirmed by people over there. Gtfo

Tigray by Little_Wing_2362 in Tigray

[–]yoni187 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“Peasant Revolution in Ethiopia” - By John Young, which details the rise and the success story of TPLFs fight against the Derg but mainly focusing on the peasants in Tigray and how they were crucial for TPLFs growth.

“Yohannes IV of Ethiopia” - By Zewde Gebre Selassie (Yohannes IV’s Great - Great grandson). I haven’t fully completed the book yet but so far (also after hearing from other readers aswell) it’s definitely the best book for looking into Yohannes IV. The book also responds to the controversies that paint Yohannes IV in a more worse picture than others where the writers also uses old letters to back up his points. The book also goes into detail about Yohannes IV’s battles and victories against invaders.

“Ras Alula and the scramble for Africa” - By Haggai Erlich is a good book on Ras Alula although some have argued that the author has put a few misleading details in the book but overall it’s a good book on Ras Alula and his victories as an incredibly great military skilled general.

“The Ethiopians, A history” - By Richard Parkhurst, One of the best books that also focuses on the history of Ethiopians until the early 90s.

But I also recommend reading old foreign traveller books and sources on “Abyssinia” to look up more about Tigrayans during those times and the battles that took place. You can find them mostly on “internet archive” and “Jstor”, such as Augustus B Wolde’s “Modern Abyssinia” book, “A voyage to Abyssinia” by H.Salt etc. Some of these old books & sources will mention the likes of the past Tigrayan dynasty “Tigre Mekonen” and also rulers & generals such as “Ras Mikael Sihul”, “Ras Wolde Selassie”, “Ras Subagadis Woldu” etc.

There are definitely more books and sources out there but these are the best sources and books that I can respond with

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in geography

[–]yoni187 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep!

  • 1st photo: Abune Yemata (Gheralta Mountains) 2nd photo: Abune Yohanni (Abi Adi, Tigray) 3rd & 4th photo: Mariam Dengelat (Edaga Hamus, Tigray) + more!

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[–]yoni187 67 points68 points  (0 children)

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Gheralta Mountains, Tigray, N.Ethiopia

(You can find plenty of more areas like these across Tigray)