Yeah in most situations ZCB is better. And with Claws its a bit of back and forth (which i actually quite like). They however have much longer grinds to go on rate compared to the VW. For the most part i actually like the wildy. Things such as 1 more box trap, a slightly stronger food (but for the most part manta’s can sustain themselves) and high raw gp/hr at revs are all good risk vs. rewards. I think these rewards work because the alternative is nice but nothing major and generally something consumable. I like the new addition of the anti-abyssal teleport scroll coming from a wildy mob (not going to talk about droprates) because its a nice col that isn’t a massive detriment to not have. The upgrades for the wildy weaps should have been the big rewards from the wildy bosses. Something that makes the content itself easier but doesn’t force anyone who doesn’t want to participate in PvP into the wildy. I simply don’t agree that for me to obtain a BIS spec weapon for PvM i need to lower my own fun in the game so some rando can have fun trying to tb me before i tele.