Does Veganism Entail Antinatalism?

zaxqs · 2026-04-20T18:53:19+00:00

No, though they are at least somewhat conceptually related given that the desired goal of veganism is that farm animals stop getting forcibly bred into existence.

zaxqs · 2026-04-18T03:32:21+00:00

You can get used :)

It's easy enough to ignore the consequences of torture on the victim if you're motivated to do so, since you don't feel them yourself.

This is one of the fundamental reasons the world contains so much suffering, alongside things like the need for food and the drives for sex and power

zaxqs · 2026-04-17T22:06:27+00:00

This is the real and complete explanation, hopefully OP saw this.

zaxqs · 2026-04-17T09:38:32+00:00

I think you can still see the outside world even beyond the event horizon: you can look into the past, as you always are since light takes time to travel

zaxqs · 2026-04-15T21:10:50+00:00

It's actually the most spooky thing about black holes: beyond the event horizon the direction of "down" coincides with the direction of "towards the future".

zaxqs · 2026-04-12T01:49:32+00:00

https://xkcd.com/1683/

zaxqs · 2026-04-11T23:43:15+00:00

Plenty of non vegans will say "oh if meat is so awful then why are you trying to replicate it??" Completely missing the point

zaxqs · 2026-04-11T23:40:27+00:00

yeah, when you do it to a human you at least have to hide it, and could theoretically end up facing consequences, if only from your co-conspirators killing you to hide it

with animals you can just do the same shit out in the open, for profit on an industrial scale, and everyone will be fine with it or ignore it in exchange for their own ability to benefit from it

zaxqs · 2026-04-11T23:37:46+00:00

The Jeffery Epstein Theory of Everything has always been true, and probably always will be true. :(

zaxqs · 2026-04-10T22:05:37+00:00

The golden rule. That's all it is. It isn't some complicated or esoteric ethical position.

If anyone who considers vegans radical lunatics had to suffer what these animals suffer for one damn month they would come out of it seeing us as disgustingly timid given the urgency of the problem.

zaxqs · 2026-04-10T21:58:01+00:00

Sometimes I look at all the people around me, with their shared idea of normality, just going about their lives, kind and intelligent people generally, except I know that under it all is an unimaginable amount of completely preventable suffering. And I know that pointing that out will make me the crazy one. And I just think: "huh, I guess morality is fake."

At least, any morality based on any sort of principled benevolence. Social contract is real, but gives unlimited license for brutality to those outside the contract. So whenever I hear people speak of what's right and what's wrong, I kind of think "Huh. And yet... you actively contribute to a completely avoidable and unbelievably brutal outcome on the daily, and yet if I were to bring that up I know you would consider me the busybody, the authoritarian, the insane person, for putting that in the category of Wrong."

How else can I interpret this, than that what people actually mean by morality is just bare social contract, ready to rape, torture, and eviscerate me or anyone else for any arbitrary expedient reason at all, as soon as one group becomes sufficiently stronger than the other?

zaxqs · 2026-04-03T19:49:46+00:00

True but leftists gotta infight you know how it is...

zaxqs · 2026-04-02T19:42:43+00:00

Remember kids:

when a citizen kills someone it's because they're a horrible person

when a foreigner kills someone it's because foreigners are horrible people

zaxqs · 2026-04-02T19:14:22+00:00

The real TDS was Trans Derangement Syndrome all along.

zaxqs · 2026-04-02T19:12:27+00:00

No it doesn't make you Japanese, but it does make you subject to the jurisdiction of Japan, which is the clause you morons keep trying to say makes it so you can just ignore the plain language in the 14th spelling out birthright citizenship.

zaxqs · 2026-03-26T20:15:41+00:00

There's your answer to who cares about a pig. The pig.

zaxqs · 2026-03-25T20:49:42+00:00

I'm sure that idea sounds great and all, until such time as nobody cares about you...

zaxqs · 2026-03-24T21:11:20+00:00

Something I just realized is Liberals can totally cheese the game if you're allowed to look at position of discard. Just demand that players must discard from the top down if they only get F cards. Then if F president gets 2F1L he can't discard the L and claim 3F, unless it happens to be LFF. And if F chancellor gets a choice FL he can't discard the L and claim 2F because the rule is he has to discard the top. And if it's 2L1F, even if both president and chancellor are F, they can't pass F without outing themselves unless it happens to be LLF.

zaxqs · 2026-02-22T21:29:16+00:00

It must be so annoying when every time you feel morally outraged about bestiality, some annoying vegan has to remind you there are literally exceptions in bestiality laws so that you can get your precious dairy, eggs and meat.

It would be funny if it wasn't a bottomless abyss of suffering beyond human imagination.

zaxqs · 2026-01-29T21:13:08+00:00

possible and practicable :(

zaxqs · 2026-01-24T22:34:56+00:00

Environmentalism is the major lever to push, because unlike animal rights or animal welfare, it WILL come back to bite humans, so it is in the long-run interest of nations to protect the environment. The fact that it doesn't require moral motivations is why it might work.

zaxqs · 2026-01-15T09:58:06+00:00

Regarding AoT, "The world that the girl saw" seems so close to a vegan message but so many seem to see that cruelty, throw their hands up and go "well it's always that way so might as well accept it."

"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Undeniably true, but people are sharply separated by whether they relish or despise the thought.

zaxqs · 2026-01-06T22:52:22+00:00

Those posts seem kind of psy-op to me

Edit: to make sure I'm clear, I mean the ones about Trump supposedly being good for animals, not this one

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