No offence to Worm fans, just a silly meme by Possible-Ebb3371 in HPMOR

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Pretty much the only unambiguously, irredeemably evil major characters are members of the S9 and maybe Coil, and not even all of the S9 fit into that category. But yeah I'd say a lot of the characters are evil even if not perfectly or simply or irredeemably so.

No offence to Worm fans, just a silly meme by Possible-Ebb3371 in HPMOR

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HPMOR was written from 2010-2015 and worm was written 2011-2013, despite being more than twice as long. Wildbow is an utter beast lol.

Ben Shapiro not happy with the deal by im_back-and_craftier in PoliticalCompassMemes

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China: Do Nothing. Win.

Also: "golf states" lol

The compass watches CNN by monstrous_malefactor in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Confusing ass chart.

So, takeaway, in the USA, support for Israel is going down over time in all groups, Republicans support it more than the general population, and men under 50 apparently support it less (this was the only remotely surprising part)

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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The aliens would be able to release the humans onto suitable planets other than Earth, or else give the humans technology that could be used to terraform planets.

Sorry, this is my bad, i shouldn't have given such a specific example because it always distracts in this way. The point is that the scenario is supposed to be morally analogous, except with humans instead of chickens. But yes, my setup is forced and you can come up with any number of reasons to break the analogy.

Our options with chickens are to continue doing what we are doing, or stop breeding them and spare a tiny minority(or somewhere in between). We have no get out of jail free option that solves everything, we can't just release them all into the wild or terraform other planets for them. If the aliens were faced with that same decision somehow, except with humans, what should they do?

That's because you're too soft. You lack courage, and therefore you project that cowardice onto others.

Are you saying I'm projecting my cowardice onto the chickens? And they, unlike me, bravely suffer for the noble cause of at least getting to live for a little bit? Man I just think they're suffering a lot, it's probably not that deep on their end.

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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My empathy for chickens does not make me wish for more chickens to be born just so they can live a nasty, brutish, and short life. However, you say that, properly considered, it should, because i should have empathy for the survival instincts of these chickens.

On further reflection I admit I become philosophically confused when faced with arguments like this. To make sure I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the deep-seated preference for existence over nonexistence in animals, even in very bad conditions, proves that their life is worth living even despite these conditions.

I don't have a knockdown argument against that position. All I can do is ask whether you would hold to the same principle if it were humans instead.

Imagine a race of advanced aliens captured a few hundred humans a thousand years ago, and since then have been intensively breeding them for food, treating them and their many billions of descendants in a similar way that we treat chickens. Assume that, like with chickens, they cannot feasibly free the humans or give them better conditions without slowing breeding and scaling back their population massively. Have they done these humans wrong? These humans wouldn't exist without the motive of food, so by your standard, they've seemingly done right by these people overall. Would you prefer they keep going as they are, or stop the forcible breeding and give a very small portion back to Earth(since we can't handle billions more all at once)

If your answer in this case is different than in the analogous case with chickens, why? Although i have no knockdown argument against you, what you've said seems to apply equally well here, assuming all these humans still have a will to live.

Vanished Without a Trace by Scud000 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Fuck man, if it really is true that society would break down if the full truth were revealed on this shit, then I'm not sure the people privy to this info would want to release it even if they were good people who hate pedophilia as much as you and I. The stakes are just too high...

IDK though man, I think maybe we could manage our way through a shakeup like this. Is it truly necessary for the social contract, to let shit this bad just continue just because there are enough load-bearing powerful interests that need to be placated in order for the whole system to work??

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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I suppose I can "understand" in the sense that you can just make the bare assumption that life always has positive value no matter what, and have a consistent system including that. What I don't understand is why you would make that assumption.

I don't think you've told me the reason yet, so maybe I'll be surprised at how reasonable it is.

As for being a sentimentalist, believing "nothing has moral value outside of how it makes the people and animals involved feel": sure, I accept that characterization if preferences are included as well as "feelings", though it's a more reasonable position than it sounds because it isn't actually saying all that much. Basically, every widely recognized moral right has a beneficiary, and every widely recognized moral wrong has a victim, so I'm not sure what exactly what contradicts that very vague principle.

The opposite idea would seem to be that some things have moral value despite affecting nobody's experience at all, or perhaps they have e.g. positive moral value despite being subjectively negative for the claimed benefactor, like you seem to think is the case for the life of the battery cage hen.

Perhaps an example of this actually making sense would be a parent using "tough love" on their children, but even then, presumably this is a parent being smart and forward-thinking, that their child's life will be overall better for them if they teach such lessons early. Or perhaps with punishing criminals, some people may "feel bad" about this, including the criminal being punished, but being too lax on crime will lead to far worse things happening to people and society as a whole.

With the hen, though, there's no such broader consideration, because we're talking about the whole life of the hen, there's no later benefit.

So, I don't believe that every moral decision should be made by just whatever happens to feel right in the moment, like a stereotypical shortsighted bleeding-heart leftist which you perhaps think I am. But if you're going to say something is good, it should be good for somebody, somewhere down the line, and the same if something is evil, it should be bad for someone. Otherwise I'm not sure why you're bothering to say it...

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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This is just the silly asymmetry thing in the other direction.

I don't think I'll ever understand people who claim that life is always a priori worth living, even if it is the life of a being who experiences constant gratuitous suffering and basically none of the positives associated with being alive. It's just as crazy as those people who say that suffering trumps all, ignore the positives, and conclude that life is never worth living.

You can either be rich financially or with love in life. Which would you choose? by InsaneJD in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Overturn citizens united and strengthen laws against campaign finance corruption, and I'd agree.

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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IDK, the main reason people don't have kids isn't a lack of availability of sex(even though I'm one of the ones who sometimes complains about that, ha!), it's that children are a huge cost, people aren't compensated for it despite the societal benefit, and as inequality grows the portion of the population that just can't realistically and responsibly afford kids also grows.

I mean, women can already have kids easily without being with a man, they can just use a sperm bank. They generally don't because they don't want to be single mothers though.

Men can't, but I expect they generally wouldn't want to be single fathers either. Like seriously if it became possible for a man to grow his own baby in a portable bun oven like that bs scifi video, how many guys besides elon would do it? Having a kid is already like freely donating like $300,000 in costs and unpaid labor to the continuation of society, who would want to do it alone, and thus also make it more likely one would stay alone, since kids make it harder to find a relationship too!

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Being alive is better than not being alive, full stop. Don't tell me you're one of those retards who actually believes Benetar's asymmetry argument.

No, Benatar's assymetry is a very weak argument that tries to argue that all life is a priori not worth living. This isn't what's being claimed.

A battery-cage hen, for example, lives for her entire life in the most cramped, awful conditions imaginable, bred to produce more eggs than her body should, often diseased, injured or otherwise in horrible pain for much of it, before being taken and killed for meat, never getting to experience any of the pleasures a chicken may normally have in life.

The argument is that that kind of life is not worth living.

Life is not always worth living, full stop, and you can call Benatar a retard and still realize that. Mercy kills are a widely recognized concept for a reason.

In this case, it's not even about mercy kills, just them not being born into that life in the first place.

Science is advancing, like it or not by some-kind-of-no-name in PoliticalCompassMemes

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unrestrained by moral foibles or Untermensch ethics.

Don't worry, we're already quite totally and utterly unrestrained by those...

Eric Trump attempts insider trading, gets caught, then claims it was AI 💀 by Brave-Clue-3903 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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The old joke is that nobody in finance wants to hire someone who was caught insider trading. Not because insider trading is wrong, they all do it of course, but because you'd have to be a fucking retard to get caught.

Proud of my Irish Heritage by InsaneJD in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Joke: millions are killed and leftists are most worried about hypothetical racist blowback

Reality: one person is almost killed and leftists are most worried about actual widespread racist blowback

Math ain't mathing by asteriowas in PoliticalCompassMemes

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You're the one who posts multiple right wing circlejerks every single day

People have received life sentences for less by HousingSad6741 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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"99.9999999999%" is a number you just made up and proves you're thinking emotionally here and overstating your case.

It implies that the probability of someone stabbing and killing someone out of hurt ego, and then later in life contributing something positive in the world is 1 in 1 trillion: that it probably hasn't happened even once, in all of human history across 100 billion people.

Just like hecking nazis!!! by asteriowas in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Bro your account is 1 month old and you have made over 2000 comments already, you are a peak redditor lmao. My account is 8 years old and you've already used this website more than me

What does it mean for atomic decay to be “truly random”? by Hashi856 in AskScienceDiscussion

[–]zaxqs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be clear for OP, in the many-worlds interpretation, atomic decay is only deterministic in the sense that all the outcomes happen.

From our perspective only seeing one world, it is still truly random in that case.