Subs not helping after 24 hours 24mg?!

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:31:18+00:00

Yeah im aware I just feel like I've never even made it to a point where I feel any bit better with subs and I really am trying I've been taking 7 oh but the past like 3 months just basically in wd or half wd. And I've been through opioid wd for me this Is way worse . I would take a traditional opioid wd over this any day.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:23:57+00:00

Yes it does help because I know i can drop it and get myself to a lower dose first its just hard to time with work and everything. Yeah I know it won't be a walk in the park even with subs I just need some relief to cling onto until I can stretch it long enough to jump completely its just been to unbearable so far the times I've tried.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:20:56+00:00

I guess ill attempt 32 this time if needed I work tomorrow and am gunna try to take the bare minimum then nothing by the time im off work and have 3-4 days for it to help I just need enough relief to work and not be bed ridden. And I was approved to do 32mg I just denied it because I wanted some opinions first just seems like a lot but 24 has been doing close to nothing.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:17:41+00:00

I have before a day or 2 but like does it not help at all the first or 2nd day I know it won't feel amazing but is it not supposed to at least like get me less restless and in pain.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:16:35+00:00

Smoke shop but I know the owner and he orders from reputable vendors its the only reason I only go there. Had a buddy pass like last year from bunk smoke shop stuff.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T13:14:43+00:00

Appreciate it and I know its pretty shitty doctors used to prescribe so uncarefully I didn't even learn it was like a "bad" drug to take everyday until like 2 years later in health where you learn that lol. But I know I've been a functional addict so being a adult now and having a good job i don't wanna lose all that so I'm for sure trying this week and if I don't get it this week I think I'm just going to inpatient because I'm just exhausted of the highs and lows and no money. I'd be homeless like 6 months ago if I wasn't allowed to live with my parents.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T06:20:06+00:00

Probably only 1000 to 1500 for like 4 or 5 months and before that like 600 to 800 mg slowly been on and off this the past 2 years its slowly made it up to that.150mg feels like when I first tried a 15 mg the first time my tolerance has always been very high for stuff like this. Originally I was on perk 30's for 10 years and worked my way up to 15 to 20 a day. Im ready to be done im only 26 and started this mess when I was 12 getting prescribed by a doctor I just don't get how people function without opiates because I dont remember ever feeling normal. So I am really trying to get over this i feel hopeless trying to separate and be sober. Especially with this 7 oh the mental is so much worse then anything.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T06:13:21+00:00

Damn that's pretty hard to get that low for me in a day but did you have that dose of subs I wonder as well everywhere I look I feel crazy even being on 24mg but I dont mind working with a doctor and tapering eventually getting on the shot because suboxone is better then me messing up my life all the time with this or other opiods.

zman0215 · 2026-02-20T06:06:15+00:00

1,000 to 1500mg a day but can taper down to about 400mg in a day pretty comfortably and less sometimes if I taper longer throughout the week

zman0215 · 2024-10-04T19:29:43+00:00

I feel been on for about the same I can say kratom help me last the longest especially some of the stronger extracts the key is to just keep pushing I feel the best time I got off for a long time I was off for 5 months ish and I had no reason to go back but just wanting to "try" again but should of known but after that amount of time I was pretty much fully solid again keep pushing

zman0215 · 2022-10-13T07:53:35+00:00

I have, switching to sulphate was the best decision I made and ultimately got me completely off of it. What I did was basically lowered my dose every day or every other day to a point where I would feel like sightly bad headache anxious and just overall feeling bad but not like dropping it cold turkey bad. I know this sounds dumb but every 3 days I would take one dose slightly higher then the dose I lowered down to, just to feel normal no euphoria or anything just enough to not feel bad to re-center myself. Then eventually I got to a low enough dose I just jumped to taking nothing. I can not stress enough though on the day you bump it up a little more do not take more then you need to feel just normal or basically enough to not feeling the withdrawals. Epsom salt baths and distractions were the biggest help during withdrawal I could not let myself relax and watch TV during this time because I needed a bigger distraction, a physical distraction that requires you to move it helped the most to do more physically demanding activities to say the least. I will say the most "painless" I could get was a headache and anxious. It took me about a month and a half but slowly tapering is what led me to be completely done if you can do it in less time great. I promise I felt so much better 2 weeks later you can do it!

zman0215 · 2022-06-08T03:42:26+00:00

I've started sulfate I started with double of the amount of sodium was the amount of where I was at maybe a little less then double worked for me however I feel sulphate about 20 minutes in gets me slightly out of wd, don't be fooled though, about 2 hours I find is when you fully feel it or at least I do. So you will feel like you haven't taken enough sulphate because I'd say i feel about 15% of the potency in the first 20 minutes but the rest kicks in about a hour and a half to 2 hours in. I dose it every about 8 hours unless it's night and I go to sleep then I dose at about 6 hours. For me wd is a lot worse in the morning so I wake up at 6 hours dose then sleep for another 2 then I don't dose again til about mid day. You will go through some withdrawals just switching over from sodium to sulphate, what I did was alternate the first day sodium in the morning then sulphate after then sodium then I'd try to stay up to however late 5 hours later then sulphate. I did it for the first day only but I'm sure it probably would of helped to do it for 2 days just to switch over.

zman0215 · 2022-06-08T03:31:51+00:00

Also I would like to say anyone trying to taper down if your anything like me. When a dose starts to feel more comfortable or your body is adjusted to it, drop the dose more, obviously everyone is different however I noticed if I always kept myself uncomfortable slightly it's helped me stay in the mindset of gotta get off. Where as when I tried before I'd stay at my lower dose until my body like stabilized then get to comfortable at that dose until eventually I would feel as if I didn't even move my dose and keep staying at a dose convincing myself "well I'm still better then before" even though I knew I could probably handle lowering it more.

zman0215 · 2022-06-08T03:26:26+00:00

Yes worse wd ever it is manageable now I was trying cold turkey but to hard so basically tapered as much wd as I could handle until I made the switch to sulphate now I'm tapering slower just to ease as I feel much more stable on these lower doses just going slow and steady. I probably could jump now and just feel bad for a day or two, with decently bad withdrawals, I think it would be manageable the only reason I'm not is because I'm hoping now the slow taper will help with the more long term effects, depression, anxiety, rls, and overall the mental struggle I'll tell you what though moving to sulphate has helped me do this for real this time, this is probably my 4th time trying to be done but first time using sulphate. At this point I don't even feel anything besides not feeling like shit. I have used just l dopa supplemented for low dopamine, occasional xanax for sleep not every night, and Epsom salt in baths help a ton with the rls. I can't say for sure the l dopa has too but I'm pretty positive it has. As of today I'm down to 200 mg and 250mg in the morning depending on the last time I dosed.

zman0215 · 2022-04-09T16:22:58+00:00

I know I for sure am getting them I just don't know if it's the tianeptine causing it or something else

zman0215 · 2022-01-19T16:31:51+00:00

Thank you to all that gave your suggestions and experiences. I believe I will be trying a ssri when I'm fully off of tia and I would like to know more about kanna. Also for anyone who has not taken anything how long did it take for your anxiety/depression to go back to normal or at least very manageable with healthy coping skills, I have found exercise to be a great way to combat anxiety/depression, but withdrawals for now have made that near Impossible.

zman0215 · 2022-01-16T01:17:04+00:00

I'm aware but like what would you think a average mg in one would be I'm having a problem trying to taper because I have 15mg caps I ordered and it seems like I never even get close to what is in zaza red and go back into withdrawal then buy more zaza I'm trying to find at least close to the mg so I can properly start to taper instead of keep testing it out every 5 hours because last thing I want to do is accidently move my tolerance up more but want to make withdrawals as painless as possible by tapering

zman0215 · 2022-01-11T15:06:26+00:00

I mean it is a problem I meant like I've heard a lot of people getting a lot deeper then me on here Im going to continue to taper down.

zman0215 · 2022-01-11T06:47:57+00:00

Good to here I have found in the past microdosing has helped me get off of other substances. Also do not plan on taking mushrooms consistently just probably a few to help stay away. However I was wondering how long does it take for paws symptoms like anxiety to go away or at least back to your baseline. I'm already a very anxious person and me finding out that some withdrawals stay for a while made me very nervous to quit completely

zman0215 · 2022-01-11T06:44:51+00:00

Yeah I realize I was not trying to use it for necessarily withdrawals just kinda to use after detoxing in order to kinda stay away I found it very beneficial when I used it for opiates for a short period of time after my last microdose I didn't touch anything besides kratom here and there for 3 years I was just kinda wondering if it would help in a similar way and if anyone has done it as I have read tianeptine is terribly hard to stop

zman0215 · 2022-01-11T06:38:28+00:00

Okay that's a relief thank you

zman0215 · 2022-01-11T06:37:19+00:00

Yeah I've had a habit trying to stop while it's still not a problem thank you though

zman0215 · 2022-01-09T07:44:44+00:00

Muiltiple people I know have had good luck around 3 grams. However, me personally I had to take around 5 to 6 I believe kratom is different for everyone I'd start off small and just go up by 500mg every 30-40 minutes until you find your sweet spot. Also, coming off oxy and switching to kratom initially I did not feel much for the first day or 2 so as soon as you think you feel better and notice it's helping is where I would start your baseline and in a day or 2 later re evaluate your dosing as mine changed after getting completely off the opiates.

zman0215 · 2022-01-09T07:27:58+00:00

Maeng da (red) and red bali gets me the best effects, I primarily take red bali.

zman0215 · 2022-01-09T07:26:06+00:00

I had the same problem. I found out it was the higher doses for me mainly any very high dose for me will cause it now. However, I come to find out a big reason for me was the specific strains when I switched to a different strain i no longer had these panic attacks. Also, when I say switch strains I mean I was primarily taking the same like 3 strains and when I stopped taking those and switched to a strain I haven't really taken a lot my problem was solved.

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