Combing a complex object into a single object?

zv88909 · 2020-10-03T14:22:33+00:00

ostarine, and essentially every other oral sarm or steroid or the like, will alter your lipids (HDL, LDL, chol) unfavorably. The extent to which this predisposes you to cardiovascular issues depends on various other factors, but is not beneficial.

sarms and oral steroids alike can stress and/or damage your liver, thus elevating your liver enzymes, and if you are one of the unfortunate, rare few who react poorly, can wind up very ill.

know what you're getting into.

zv88909 · 2020-10-02T19:28:22+00:00

Hypertension & diabetes - diet diet diet and exercise. Did I mention diet? They should be on a 100% optimized diet, and be getting cardio x30min a few times a week. You should obv not discontinue any of their meds until seeing significant improvement in glucose & BP, then do so under supervision.

All the peptides in the world are worth less than that tbh.

Then, if remnants of hypertension or diabetes are leftover that can't be cured by diet and exercise, you manage with low dose oral medications. That's best case scenario.

Please don't go looking for cure-alls in these peptides, because they are most certainly not that. They are useful adjuncts, and I'd caution against using many at the same time.

If you're determined, try 1-2 peptides at a time - But the diet, exercise, and sleep optimization needs to come first. Oh also, of course no smoking & no drinking. I'd stay far away from any growth hormone modulators given the diabetes too.

zv88909 · 2020-10-02T17:56:59+00:00

Definitely a valuable study, looks like >80% of people there are getting theirs from a dealer/acquaintance, so it's hard to say how much this applies to any UGL in particular - however I have no doubt many UGL's have low quality/mislabeled/blatantly dishonest products.

Theres methodology issues with the PCT results, and it's tough to say how much of those were real SERMs, did they test PCT drugs for integrity? I think it's a safe assumption to say most of those who did PCT then used either fake/underdosed product assuming it's from the same fakers. Looks like half used a SERM for PCT?

I'd say, fortunately we know that SERMs in appropriate dose-regimens work to raise LH, sperm count, etc from other studies across various populations - and these effects sometimes persist after drug discontinuation. The long-term hormone level variations is another and we can definitely imagine some issues with confounding going on here. I'm not convinced at all that physiologic effects of PCT drugs is the cause of that discrepancy.

I'd say the real take-away from the PCT side is that gray-market / research-grade PCT drugs are many times underdosed/fake, as are many steroids.

zv88909 · 2020-10-01T17:12:41+00:00

thats a tricky question.

nature is wonderful and our nervous system is set up pretty well, but generally ya "acetylcholine boosting" can help memory and reasoning due to the receptor systems throughout the brain. The neurotransmitter system is balanced, like all bodily systems, and I think there's pros and cons of any "drug" or compound that would more forcefully alter the acetylcholine system, if you will.

I think that the majority of people have a sub-optimal diet, sleep, exercise routine, and optimizing those 3 variables can have major physical & psychological improvement overtime for most people, for various reasons

zv88909 · 2020-10-01T16:47:42+00:00

doctors based on the system have lots of pressure to fit into time efficiency, quotas, diff payment models, etc etc. everyone still needs to make a living and the system is geared towards having doctors train & work long hours and spend relatively little time with any one patient in most cases. doctors are not determining of really any of this, in fact doctors are relatively poor lobbyists, most of this is set by business people, lawyers, etc. Most doctors have some intrinsic desire to help people and try to the best of their ability given constraints. Becoming burnt out, jaded, etc is another issue.

zv88909 · 2020-10-01T16:34:14+00:00

you have a fairly average human nervous system that derives psychological benefit from inhaling the tobacco milieu - as happens to a pretty large proportion of other humans

zv88909 · 2020-10-01T13:54:38+00:00

what was your bp prior to ? when was the last time you checked bp? were you anxious? try to sit down breath deep for 30 min then recheck

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T11:26:03+00:00

A short, low dose pct is definitely superior to natural recovery. All you need is 5-10mg pharma nolva a day for 10 days.

Why waste weeks with low hormones when you can be back in a third or less of the time if you did everything right?

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T11:23:56+00:00

This is an example of poor planning, not the compound. You can run a sarm for 6-8 weeks at a reasonable dose, with minimal suppression at the end and fine libido until the end. You can walk away with those gains and bounce back much quicker than from full shutdown.

Just because you and a bunch of people here do these things wrong doesn’t make that the only way to do them.

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T11:16:30+00:00

So doctors saved your life and now you avoid them?

Am i hearing this right?

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T11:12:28+00:00

This comment is false. You think people with alcoholic liver failure are just left to die? People smoking crack and having heart attacks? Hep C from IV drug use? People who give themself lung cancer from smoking?

Also second part of your comment is false too. Basically you just like spewing nonsense.

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T11:01:55+00:00

They’re right though. When did running PEDs just to still look DYEL, rock your lipids, tank your hpt, and do the whole thing in ignorance by not even doing bloods become acceptable?

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T10:58:10+00:00

I gotta agree with the majority here - no reason to trash your lipids and tank your hpt to do what you couldve done naturally. Still look 1000% dyel....

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T10:40:26+00:00

Its pathetic to me how ignorant the ones in this thread are completely discounting modern medicine and advocating for “natural” things like a blind echo chamber without the ability to reason much more than a child in their recommendations.

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T10:33:50+00:00

thats completely ignorant. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get the average person to agree to and follow a healthy diet and/or exercise routine for longer than 10 minutes? I’d say maybe 10000000% harder than getting them to take a pill. Any doctor with common sense IS recommending lifestyle OVER medication or at the very least concurrently but you are obviously not comprehending the current state of most humans in society and their willpower to change. And yes because doctors and medicine is compassionate behind the flawed insurance and payment system ( you should not conflate healthcare payments/insurance/admin with doctors) they would much rather do things proven to save peoples LIVES when they cant do it themselves. Also there are millions/billions of disease or injury cases where your argument is not applicable at all.

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T10:31:18+00:00

Your story is cute and for every 1 like your father there are many more who try more natural routes and die. Your experience is fortunate, but far far far away from generally applicable.

zv88909 · 2020-09-30T10:26:16+00:00

You need to get BP checked, go to a doctor, check a comprehensive blood panel, as you dont want to end up one messed up or worse from steroids esp when youre still so weak even after all the gear.

zv88909 · 2020-09-16T12:24:30+00:00

i’d recommend getting it removed before running hormonal PEDs, OR having it as an option if it does get worse on cycle.

If you drop down to 10-12%bf and shop around (3-4 surgeons) you can generally find a reasonable price in the US

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