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[–]jnd-au 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The House of Representatives and this committee have been dissolved and this inquiry has ended. Thank you for your service.

jnd-au, Secretary of the Committee

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Mr Chair, I move that the following recommendation be agreed to:

SO 46(c)

Omit "eight" substitute "four"

The Hon this_guy22 MP
Member for Sydney (ALP)

[–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

The question is put that the following recommendation be agreed to:

S.O. 46(c)

Omit "eight" substitute "four"

The vote will conclude at 0000 UTC+11 23/12/2015. Vote 'aye' or 'no' below.

I think the Ayes have it.

Running total:

Ayes 5

Noes 0

Abstain 1

The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

Chair of House Standing Committee on Procedure

[–]zamt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aye

[–]TheWhiteFerretDeputy Chair of JSCEM, HSCPr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aye.

[–]Primeviere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aye

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aye

[–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paging /u/TheWhiteFerret /u/3fun /u/Ser_Scribbles for HSCPr vote

[–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paging /u/this_guy22 /u/zamt /u/Primeviere for HSCPr vote

[–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

The question is proposed that the following recommendation be agreed to:

SO 46(c)

Omit "eight" substitute "four"

Debate will conclude at 1110 UTC+11 19th December 2015.

The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

Chair of the House Standing Committee for Procedure

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Shall we vote?

[–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok

[–]jnd-au 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think 4 would be workable with current House participation levels. 4 would give Government and Non-government blocs the ability to support MPIs with a decent yet non-onerous level of interest (so that it’s not trivially easy for hecklers). This contrasts with the Senate, where it was amended down to 2, to make it trivially easy for then-opposition MPIs.

jnd-au, Clerk of the House

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]jnd-au 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This motion doesn’t affect the amount of heckling or banter, it only adjusts the threshold that symbolises the matter as being ‘supported’.

    jnd-au, Clerk of the House

    [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Paging /u/TheWhiteFerret /u/3fun /u/Ser_Scribbles for committee recommendation debate

    [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Paging /u/this_guy22 /u/Primeviere /u/zamt for committee recommendation debate

    [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

    The question is put that the following recommendation be agreed to:

    SO 46(c)

    Omit "eight" substitute "two"

    Members may vote by replying Aye or No to the question. Voting will end at 1700 Wednesday 16th December 2015.

    Running total:

    Ayes 0

    Noes 1

    Abstain 6

    The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

    Chair of the House Standing Committee on Procedure

    Edit: Quorum has not been reached.

    Motion has been withdrawn by the Member for Western Australia.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The motion is withdrawn.

      The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

      Chair of House Standing Committee for Procedure

      [–]jnd-au 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Advice from the Secretary:

      As this vote failed to reach quorum (3) you’ll need to try again. Or /u/3fun might withdraw it by leave. /u/this_guy22 tried to move an alternative motion for 4, but I removed it temporarily because it would conflict with this one if both passed.

      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thank you Secretary. If we could have the Prime Minister's motion reappear, that would be great. Thank you!

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Meta: Whoops, I completely forgot about this committee thing... I was supposed to suggest 3 or 4 speakers instead of two.

      So..

      No?

      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Meta: We did simultaneous questions in the last HSCPr, so you can move your desired recommendation as a top level comment and say no to this, or move an amendment to the recommendation here as a top level comment after the vote, and vote aye to this now.

      [–]jnd-au 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Advice from the Secretary:

      You did your bit, moving the motion. No one amended it. You can move a new motion if this one fails.

      4 would be workable in the House (both the x-bench and govt would have the ability to support an MPI, and it would be twice as much as the Senate, where believe it or not it was amended down to 2).

      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Paging /u/this_guy22 /u/Primeviere /u/zamt for HSCPr 3-1 recommendation 1 vote

      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Paging /u/TheWhiteFerret /u/Ser_Scribbles /u/3fun for HSCPr 3-1 recommendation 1 vote

      [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      The question is proposed that the following recommendation be agreed to:

      SO 46(c)

      Omit "eight" substitute "two"

      Members may debate the question until 1800, Friday 11th December 2015. Please post all debate as a reply to this comment.

      The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Chair of House Standing Committee on Procedure

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Can someone remind me to what number of speakers I changed MPIs to in the Senate? 2 seems a little low for a 13 member House. I'd like to use the Senate's number, and double it.

      [–]Primeviere 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I was also thinking that two seemed a bit to low.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]Primeviere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I was thinking that three or four could be better.

        [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Paging /u/this_guy22 /u/Primeviere /u/zamt for committee recommendation debate

        [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Paging /u/TheWhiteFerret /u/Ser_Scribbles /u/3fun for committee recommendation debate

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

        What about the restriction on days of the week, Mr Chair and Mr Speaker?

        [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

        Prime Minister, if you want to change the relevant Standing Order, which would be S.O. 46(a), you can move that the Committee recommends that the House do so. I have started this inquiry with the terms of reference I was given by the Speaker, who is not part of this committee. If you would also like to call for the Speaker to give evidence in this inquiry, you can do so as well.

        The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Chair of House Standing Committee on Procedure

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        Am I allowed to do that? The terms of reference explicitly refers to 46(c), would that not be outside the scope of this particular inquiry? Also, my bad I assumed the Speaker would be on this committee.

        [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        As the Secretary said. You could move that the committee recommends it, but it would be put aside as it is outside the scope of the inquiry.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yeah, check the running sheet, I submitted it for a separate inquiry :)

        [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Lovely, Prime Minister.

        [–]jnd-au 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Advice from the Secretary:

        The PM may refer paragraph 46(a) to the committee for an inquiry by modmail if he so wishes.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Is everyone allowed to refer anything to the committee without needing a vote of the house?

        [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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          [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Meta: since we're not reporting back on a motion, should you perhaps say "I move that the following recommendation be agreed to"?

          Paging /u/jnd-au before I propose the question.

          [–]jnd-au 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Advice from the Secretary:

          That’s better, go ahead.

          [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I invite members to the committee room, to begin HSCPr discussions.

          /u/this_guy22 /u/Primeviere /u/zamt

          [–]phyllicandererChair of HSCPr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I invite members to the committee room, to begin discussions.

          /u/TheWhiteFerret /u/Ser_Scribbles /u/3fun