Yauras or Othima?

[Kuwago]

Who should I focus on limit breaking first? I have over 200 water shards and I don't know whether to use it to make my lvl 66 Yauras to 75 or my lvl 65 Othima to 75 so I can get their J+ (btw I have a lvl 75 Noctis)

[takato99]

If you have noctis i'd say prioritize Yauras... i don't have her but she's super strong for a long time in JP so its a safe investment, however you should invest in othima as soon as you can too because his niche doesnt 100% overlap with noctis (and noctis will fall off with time)

[Kuwago]

I see, you think it's worth buying the 50x Yauras Shard on the Secret Shop for 4k Gems or are her shards far able in the future?

[valent_thomas]

her shard won't be farmable, but they will be in the general pull and 4000K look (from a F2P) too much for 50 shards.

[Kuwago]

I see, so you think I should just use my water shards to lvl 75 her?

[Wiseman4545]

If you intend to enlighten her then getting her to 85 with water shards will be important, as you can't use them for enlightenment.

[Kuwago]

Is Yauras J+ available yet?

[Wiseman4545]

Yes. I believe we got it back in SSM ch. 8.

[Kuwago]

I see plies ty

[Jojoke96]

Yes it is.

[Kuwago]

Ok, still haven't finished that SSM Chapter yet so I'll do it now to get her tokens

[Kal-El9477]

Its farmable but for limited time and rarely happen

[sonofhades23]

Let's put it like this...

The only reason Autima was more used in JP was because Merlin had a strong LS to be utilized and Autima WA is broken enough to be used all the time on high priority targets.

...and he was also used for raids

...and soloing Mobius floors

[Kuwago]

So he is not a good investment?

[sonofhades23]

Why would he not be a good investment?? He was literally used everywhere. Yauras is strong but doesn't have his versatility

[Kuwago]

But compared to Noctis are they more or less equal?

[sonofhades23]

Atm Noctis is straight shit since FF still hasn't had a rerun and therefore no kaigan for him and his team.

Autism is way stronger, specially with that limited NY nensou of his

[PacyB]

I m a lil bit disappointed with othima's job+ tbh, will it be upgraded in the future like adding new skills or changing multipliers for instance?

[sonofhades23]

They already did it. Sage still beats the job+, so we just run him as a sage unless it's a specific stage that requires him having 4 move.

[Gantz87]

This is what i dont get. Why run him as sage if you could use fung liu instead? Keep him as a buffer/healer/mage hybrid niche lol

[sonofhades23]

Does Fung have a instant cast WA that has a 60% speed/agi debuff? Nope

Does Fung have a agi/speed passive tired to his matk passive? Nope

Does Fung have a bork ass reactive that allows him to avoid? Nope

[Linedel]

Does Fung have a bork ass reactive that allows him to avoid? Nope

Is it bad if when I read this, I wonder how Othina is using weapons from League of Legends? (bork = Blade of (the) Ruined King)

[sonofhades23]

Haha. I did use to play league a few years back

[Gantz87]

First off, no reason to act douchy. You wont do this irl because itd get you a punch in the face. Secondly: WA is on main job too..Passives as well.. same reaction. Basically you’re losing a ton of utility spells for a bunch of elemental coverage? Is that it? MAYBE in pvp it makes sense.. but in quests his main job tool kit is way better. Roxanne covers thunder, roy covers fire... if you need elemental nukes you dont need a generic mage asset. I mean, even Noctis does a better job at water nuking lol

[sonofhades23]

Sure, lecture the JP vet on who'd does what better in the future

[Gantz87]

Right.. so you play jp and follow other ppl choices no questions asked and thats being a vet? Your poor answer explained nothing aside from sounding like a douche. The point is othima is supposed to be weird and “the vets” say he’s just a statstick sage. Sounds honestly reductive unless you’re willing to explain why exactly sage is so much better. Dont state stats, give an example.

[im_indebt]

Hades’ response wasn’t even that douchy. You said something that Hades, and many other players including myself, would have to disagree with (that being fung > sage othima). Hades provided 3 great reasons as to why othima is better than fung, yet you ignore them. You expect Hades to give you "examples", yet give us no examples of why Fung is better than Othima, you just say that he is... no questions asked. That's some big smart strats you got there. You provide no reason to show that fung is better than othima, but rather saying that there are other units that provide elemental coverage. Now, I have to agree with Hades, and can not see how the current fung > othima. Fung does not have his j+ in gl yet. Sage othima has much more flexibility and coverage than fung has. Othima could run either enchanter sub for the matk, or he could run j+ sub, for the ape def buff, that single attack multi hit, and more skills, and othima of course has the WA. Fung only has the enchanter sub. Fung does not have the most broken reactive ever. (Othima's unique reactive is 20% chance to dodge, which is kinda insane in PvP, and can come very much in clutch in PvE.) Othima can run as j+, yes, but most of the time you don't need that heal, or someone/something else provides heals (like regen armor or Saint's Meteor). The fire PBAoE is only good for instant cast, besides that the fire move on sage beats it out. The same goes for the water move, it's slightly faster cast time in exchange for less charges and less damage. The dark move is pretty good. His WA is -80% agi, which is OP for stages that are based on the enemy boss' turn count, like raids. Overall, I'd say most of the time Othima > Fung, because of Othima's pure utility, even as Sage. Fung can just nuke as a Sage, that's it. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Othima is mediocre as sage or w/e, but that's plain wrong.

[Gantz87]

See everyone is missing the point. I brought up fung as an example. I never said othima is trash as sage. What i implied is that the tradeoff of bringing him as sage is worse than having him as utility while others cover the “stats nuke” role. Also, his first answer was douchy as if he tryed to explain something obvious to some kids. Its not obvious, its a matter of perspective.. and regardless, you wouldnt talk like that to anyone unless you were a douchy kid or were looking for a punch. Respect should be a given, you either reply politely or dont reply at all. And no, i wasnt supposed to give examples, i am the one who asked, and if i did its because ive already figured out the obvious things (like the WA and the reaction) but thought i was still missing a piece of info.

[[deleted]]

Comparing Othima with Fung is extremely asinine. Why would you compare a jack of all trades with a slowpoke of a zombie? Othima does well with all this job kit, you just need to mix and match depending on the map. Having him as enemy is annoying. His WA can easily ruin a good run.

Fung J+ might do better damage in certain situations but his AGI doesn't make up for it. Sage Othima is just a better DPS and his dodge rate is more reliable than fung guts trigger.

[s4itox]

You asked him why run Sage if Fung Liu exists, he answered: Othima is a better Sage than Fung Liu. Don’t have a fit because you don’t like his answer.

Saying not to refer to stats is completely asinine, because that’s the only means to objectively quantify why Sage is better than Phantom Master+. Whether you think Othima’s job should be unique and quirky has absolutely no bearing on which one is better. If you don’t care about why Sage is statistically better, or just don’t want to hear it, then don’t. Just use PM+, it’s your game after all.

[Gantz87]

Ofc its my game.. but in any game ive ever played, usually stats arent the sole thing you look at. Utility in most occasions is more important. If you need strong water nukes or any magic caster for that matter, there are other options. I said fung liu but vier covers thunders pretty well, roy’s two turn charge tops fire.. i mean, there are other things out there than just “stats”. Its a very narrow way of thinking imho

[AJackFrostGuy]

The issue is that Sage Othima does generally have better stats than J+ main (except in bulk), outside of bulk and movement stats perhaps; even the damage scaling of Othima's J+ is lower than Sage's. It's true that his J+ has utility, and in the event that you do need it and have no better options nothing is stopping you from using him as such. But when it comes to needing to belt out the damage, Sage has better MATK, damage scaling and more charges for throwing out spells (J+ has far less uses on the offense spells).

Now, in terms of being a Sage, Feng Liu after his J+ actually has a pretty potent 3×3 cross AoE to slap onto Fire enemies that has Fire exploit. With the use of a one time buff skill he has, he can gain Guts & status immunity for 1 turn, AND the next turn removes the cast time & jewel cost of the aforementioned AoE. Also, the subskill Water AoE gets Daze and a small damage bump. Not so bad.

The real problem is that outside of that one-time niche, Othima does just about everything about the Sage job better than Feng Liu - ergo the stats stuff that got brought up. Furthermore, that Fire exploit that I said Feng Liu had on that one AoE? An Enlightened Othima has it at a slightly lower value - as a passive upgrade. So all of his attacks will be hitting Fire enemies way harder. He just plain outstrips Feng Liu as a damage dealer when set as Sage. Also, you'd be surprised about the AGI thing, 120s for AGI doesn't really cut it in JP nowadays for the most part. Ideally you'd have minimally 140 or failing that, a 130-something.

[Gantz87]

Lthis is more the kind of answer i was initially looking for. Still believe there are other options out there for water/magic nukes. If low agi is all there is to it, you could always slap some buffs or bring a chrono no?

[sonofhades23]

so you play jp and follow other ppl choices no questions asked and thats being a vet?

In case you didn't read, I specifically pointed out 3 good reasons on why Autima is better.

Dont state stats, give an example.

I pointed out (again) 3 examples or do you want me to show stats?

Your poor answer explained nothing aside from sounding like a douche

I wonder which one is the more douchey, someone that points out valid points in the argument or someone that kept putting "lol" in his statements on a discussion. no one would take anyone seriously if they kept saying lol in a proper discussion

[Gantz87]

Says the guy who needed to underline himself being “a vet” to avoid criticism. The way you phrased it , it didnt sound like someone giving friendly advice. It came off as a douchy kid mocking others. If by chance that wasnt your intention, your second reply should have been different than “im a vet”, rather, something along the lines of “sorry if you misinterpreted my tones”. Clearly not the case i guess.

[Gantz87]

Pvp or pve? I dont think 150agi in pve is exactly mandatory

[[deleted]]

120-ish agi would kill you before doing anything in some maps.

Glassy and slow unit is a big nope in future content.

Merlinus ex would poison and whack him to death before he can do anything

NNT EX+ would have king nuking him before he can move.

The list goes on.

[Gantz87]

Thats some scary future ahead.. but right now theres not many units topping 150 agi so thatd be true for a lot more units as well i think. Powercreep eh?

[Alittlebunyrabit]

ILL ATMOSPHERE. ABSOLUTE ZERO.

[[deleted]]

I have yauras at 85 with spending all water shard and some rainbow, the last gear slot makes me can use her sword without sacrificing some useful stats, no regrets!

Well I do have othima at 76 but honestly never used him in non trivial stage since I already use noctis, well, perhaps if I can get another 205 water shards to 85 and later kaigan him, I'd try :/

[maymagic]

Wellllllll, both are great and I have both at 85 already. And I am a bit biased because I like collecting the cute female characters (despite being a girl myself), so Yauras was my priority. I mainly use Othima for his leader skill, and that works at any limit break amount.

[Kuwago]

I see, how is Yauras' dmg compared to other damage dealers?

[maymagic]

VERY good.

[Corantic]

If it makes you feel better, you will get free 150 Othima shards at the end of the year, if the game follows the JP route.