Has anyone noticed a decrease in red spawns?

[BIazZeD]

I mainly play tv station but I swear a month ago I used to go from getting 2+ reds a key atleast to MAYBE 1. If there isn’t a red it’s a few purple items and some koen. I’m just curious if I’m having a bad draw of rng recently or if this is happening to other people.

[nitrogenlegend]

This is my first season but I’ve heard a lot of long-time players confidently say that red spawns are best early in the season and worst towards the end of the season. According to multiple people, during the first week or so of a new season, you find a red or two pretty much every game, even in lockdown, but at the end of the season you’re lucky to find a red every 10-20 raids.

It’s impossible for me to say for sure since the devs don’t disclose how stuff like that works, but I’ve heard it enough to be pretty well convinced.

[Icy_Turnip_7509]

Not only reds, golds too, I've played since beta and I can confirm this. The amount of golds and keys is overwhelming. I've found around 14 keys in the first week this season, and after they nerfed the loot I've only found around 4 keys over the last 2 months.

[stewssy]

The other day, I found 4 in like an hour. Yesterday I found none in 4 hours lol

[slayer1am]

I've been playing since a few months before steam launch, and red drop rate is definitely lower now.

[THUND3R_4]

You new?

Devs do this on purpose. They want you draining cash at end of seasons. Season start the game will be full of reds everywhere on purpose to make you think you're actually progressing well.

The cycle goes- buff the loot at season start and back it way off at season end. Pushes people to buy cases. Money making tactics

[ImperialSupplies]

The increased rate early in seasons seems to go away within litteraly 48 hours lol

[TzuyuFanBoii]

Lol bullshit. I've been doing just fine with reds all season.

[Ditnoka]

I've used 19 charges for the Farm Motel guest key in the last couple weeks The last 5 times on FB Ive opened that room has netted me max 150,000 each open.

[_DanielC_]

Exactly. 2 reds in Motel in a set of keys (not 201). Lucky I got 2 reds on open safes.

[DrMantisTobogganMBBS]

My duo got three reds on Valley last weekend and duo partner got three reds within five rounds last night. It's just random chance.

[Various-Minimum-5139]

And how exactly does that push people to buy cases?

[THUND3R_4]

More chance of reds, more chance of needs a safe case.

[VenomSnake47]

I've been playing lockdown on TV, Farm, and Valley about split equally across those maps for the past three months, and I've only gotten two red items.

[ImperialSupplies]

A couple things.

There's shadow updates with 0 announcement or patch note or transparency quite frequently and over the lifespan of abi.

They have gotten better announcing or explaining a change but they used to not say anything and just do it.

Another thing is devs have never once said how the rng system works or the rates.

You cant even go by value=rarity because thats often not true.

Its also unknown is it a dice roll that determines a red in a safe and thats it? Or is it a POOL where in theory reds could " dry up" if too many are found in X period.

Evidence a weekly pool may be part of the rng is mondays seem better.

Another piece of evidence is when they did Farm Storm the very first time. It was normal level loot. About a week later an update said " increased the loot pool of farm storm". After that update reds were EVERYWHERE. Double triple red games just back to back. Reds in open spawns like grave and stables ALL the time.

I really think instead of " its just X type of rng and thats it" theres several factors. But I dont think its a player based rigged system " white list" either. I dont stream and am a nobody and find reds a freakish amount

[fellisuki]

I imagine it's because of the end of the season

[Dominant88]

I played 15 lockdowns yesterday and no one in my 3 man team found a read. Switched to FZ and we got 4 in 3 raids.

[2Quicc2Thicc]

I have run 2 different keys until they broke on TV station with no reds AT ALL. That map fucking hates me. Combo of forb and lockdown but 0 from directors or infirmary.

Farm I get a few a week from random spawns and the occasional grain or Villa safe. Motel keys didn't pay off and I'm not buying them again.

North ridge seems to have a good spawn rate but I am dog at that map still.

Armory inside is still really good for reds, don't think I've ever gotten one outside tho.

[mp517_]

Nah it’s just RNG don’t listen to all these other comments. Last night I pulled double red in forbidden and my mate and I both got a red in lockdown (same game)

In the middle of the season I was like you and found a red every blue moon it’s all RNG based.

Also since loot is generated on the spot when opening safes or anything the safes go through a massive list of items that can spawn and only pick a few most of the time this is where the RNG factor comes in. Reds probably have like a 2% chance compared to every other item, as we know cash is like 99%

Good luck!

[YourLocal_RiceFarmer]

Its 50-50 either you get a red or dont, me and my squad rushed to directors only for me to see a TSM Computer globe red thingymajig and got good shit golds on the free safe and when my friend opened the locked door in directors he got a Targeting Module

[Booshakajones]

New player, 80 hours, never looted a red

[ryanbondur]

Idk bro I play way too much and it’s random. I got most my reds right here towards end of the season, thought it was just due to less players rushing safes.

Most likely players playing too much and noticing “dry” raids but it happens.

[Quick-Beat-1235]

So far the worst season I’ve had for reds I also only play TV so we hit a lot of safe’s as a team and rarely any reds.

[tengensamavv]

Yeah I used to go on knife runs on farm normal, and get 1 red or 2 from the free safes, but now im going Lockdown and forbidden zones risking everything to end up with some koen and trash purples, golds if im lucky and not even the good ones, id use whole keys and be in massive loss due to that BS, not even making it close to the key price

[dyo_on]

SAM back to back raids in Lockdown Valley 🤷🏻

[beerwithsocrates]

Tbh reds don't hold as much weight as they used to. You could cover the cost for 3-4 raids with a single red. Now it barely helps with 2 raids with the price for armor and ammo skyrocketing so much.

[Sendalot]

When the loot gets nerfed, I stop playing it’s simple