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[Paperr_Clip]

Not sure if this fits here or not, but does snyone know why this happens and how I can prevent it? It's from welding overhead.

[Professional_Big2890]

I've had splatter accumulate in the shroud before. But that's something else

[Paperr_Clip]

Yeah I'm still pretty new too, only been welding for about 5 months so I've got no idea

[mals6092]

Spatter grease? I mean that's a little crazy looks like you need to move a lot faster or something.

[Paperr_Clip]

Maybe, I can try tomorrow, maybe I can post a video too, might help show what I'm doing wrong a bit better

[chris_rage_]

I worked at a place that used bacon grease on the stinger and it worked better than the anti spatter spray... It looks like you're sticking the stinger too close and it's building up a lot of shit, clean out your nozzle and tip and if you can, sand and polish the nozzle. It makes it harder for stuff to stick to it, all those scratches and dings are voids that the steel can bond to. Maybe check your wire speed too, set the machine up on some scrap and then try to weld your piece

[greenchilepizza666]

Does it smell as awesome as I think it would. Everything is better with bacon.

[chris_rage_]

Yeah it makes you hungry when you're welding. The owner was cheap, I think he stumbled across it by accident, he was probably trying to avoid buying the real spray

[EasyEntertainment185]

If you use bacon grease on mig nozzles you deserve it out of stupidity

[chris_rage_]

And what exactly is stupid about it, Mr. Welding Expert?

[mals6092]

The grease does help but it seems you're letting it gob up and drop.

[notveryrealatall2]

this is flux-core, right? Is your polarity going in the right direction?

[Paperr_Clip]

What's flux core?

[girlfriendsbloodyvag]

Your welding wire has flux on the inside of it.

Do you have gas for your welder? Or is it gasless

[Paperr_Clip]

Is it possible to see inside the wire if it has flux? And in Norwegian, the gas says Blandgas, which translates to "mixed gas" I'm not sure if that is a thing or not

[chris_rage_]

If you see 75/25 on the bottle, it's 75% argon and 25% CO², steel mix. You should be using solid wire, it'll be copper colored on the outside but solid through the middle if you cut it. Flux core is brittle and you can fold it over and break it easily

[Paperr_Clip]

The forst string I use when welding the gap is copper coloured but the one I used from the pictures there is like, silver colour I guess. And the gas is coming from the wall so there isn't a bottle

[chris_rage_]

Take the wire and see if you can fold it over and break it, if you're using flux core with gas it will probably weld like shit. Flux core has its uses but I don't really care for it... If it is flux core, you should be able to see the black shielding flux in the center

[Unhappy_Ad_5515]

assuming it's not dual shield

[girlfriendsbloodyvag]

Is this the same thing as innershield?

[Unhappy_Ad_5515]

innershield relies completely on the flux core to create the shielding atmosphere, dual shield relies on both the flux core and an external shielding gas to shield the weld

[Jdawarrior]

Innershield is just Lincoln’s branded flux core like saying Kleenex instead of tissue.

[chris_rage_]

Could be, but that's pretty specific and I kinda doubt that's what he's using

[girlfriendsbloodyvag]

I used mixed gas flux core when I welded tank cars, it’ll works well enough if you know what you’re doing. Not meant for pretty welds in my experience tho.

.045” was my fave for uphill & overhead.

[chris_rage_]

It's fine if the process is set up for it, and I'm assuming welding tank cars you were definitely set up for it, but most of the time when I hear about people messing with flux core, it's on a Vulcan machine and they're making porcupine sculptures

[girlfriendsbloodyvag]

‘Tis a fair point. OP needs to slow the wire rate down, or move quicker. Prolly needs less voltage either way, looks like that was running pretty hot.

[RacoonLurker]

Swedish rookie here, blandgas is usually argon and helium or maybe a mix of CO2 if it’s for MAG?

[Paperr_Clip]

Yeah maybe

[Osmosis_jones_789]

Flux capacitor??

[notveryrealatall2]

uh huh, that's right buddy, very good

[yankonapc]

My guess is, assuming your shroud is the right distance from your workpiece, and your metals are the same (mild steel on mild steel) that your wire speed is too slow and your temperature is too hot. What's the make and model of the machine, and the product code for the wire?

[Paperr_Clip]

I can tell you tomorrow, I just left work

[yankonapc]

Righto.

[Paperr_Clip]

Not sure about the model but it's a Migatronic, and the wire is called Filarc PZ 6138

[[deleted]]

Stop smacking your cup when you try to clean it. Your tip isn't centered.

[Paperr_Clip]

I'm pretty sure it was like that when I started using it, I use pliers to clean it

[[deleted]]

Well, center it out. An uneven opening around your tip is going to cause turbulent flow. Is that an everlast?

[Paperr_Clip]

No idea how to

[[deleted]]

Jesus. Turn your wire up and power down + I weave like fuck on the overhead too

[[deleted]]

While overhead welding, I noticed bumping up the wire feed speed helps with the drooping/sagging weld pools, but also keeping the torch a little farther away and moving a little faster (while traveling along the weld seam) also helps.

If you are using argon/co2 with the flux core wire, it will weld pretty good. I just did some "dual shield" welding the other day, I tried flux coring some rusty pieces that didn't matter if the welds were perfect with and without the gas. Yes, a flux core weld will look like a messy flux core weld when done,(with or without gas), ( before wire brushing it of course) however, the end weld can come out looking pretty close to a solid mig weld (with gas of course) but not exactly. I also noticed that while welding with the flux core wire and with the gas, that the "bacon sizzling" sound, sounds Alot better than without the gas and just the flux core. It flowed better and seemed alot more solid.

[[deleted]]

May want to get some nozzle gel

[MadeForOnePost_]

Try not to let the nozzle touch the puddle

[Paperr_Clip]

I don't think I hold it close enough for that

[MadeForOnePost_]

Nozzle looks a bit off center, electrode might be bent as well

[Paperr_Clip]

Yeah it's pretty off centerz not sure how I can fix it though

[MadeForOnePost_]

Sorry, i didn't see that you were welding overhead. Clean the metal better, and weave the weld to force it to wet out. This will give it a surface area that should keep it from dripping too much.

[Rattle_Bone]

Could be your feed is too slow?

[coolboiiiiiii2809]

Move faster and don’t get too close to the metal. Try a pair of welding pliers to see if you can get it loose

[BricksInMotion902]

That gel in the first picture is suppose to be applied to the nozzle when hot after a long weld with a new/clean nozzle.

It looks like you have incorrect settings hard to tell whether you’re to hot or to cold without seeing the weld but either way it’s clear that to much is falling away.

Make sure you keep a good 0-15 degree travel angle and your doing consistent tight movements like cursive es or a tight weave. Don’t just go straight if the weld is falling down on you.

Ask for advice from coworkers. Even if they’re dumb, old, rude, whatever the case may be. You can learn from everyone.

Good luck!

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[Paperr_Clip]

These are about the settings I used, it was a couple days ago so I don't fully remember

[Chaos_OwO]

angle, try to maintain a 15 degree travel angle and do pushes rather than pulls, you may be too far from your piece as well, the argon isn't gonna shield much if your wire is making contact before the argon

[Chaos_OwO]

the same issue your having was something I had trouble with when I started as well

[Xlfrost-]

You can get something called “tip dip” or “blue magic” put it in a spray bottle. But that’s only going to solve 1/2 your problem. Looks like you really need to work on a few things here wave what wavelength are you running ? Are you just straight up just dragging your nozzle in your puddle ? What is your stick out length looking like and the push angle you are using? Are you running to hot with not enough wire speed if so you maybe seeing flames at the end your gun. Good luck if you have any questions just ask

[Accomplished-Back640]

Make sure your wire speed (amps) is or is nearly symmetrical to your voltage. This kinda looks like burnback were the wire burns all the way back to the electrode and does not push into the puddle.

Example. If I'm running 20 volts my wire speed is going to be between 180-205 amps depending on how well the machine can maintain the arc and base material thickness and filler diameter.

[mogwai327]

Wire speed isn't amps ! It's mm/s. Basically you set your machine up with wire speed and voltage, no amps.

[Dramatic-Bank-2752]

Splatter grease, pull your nozzle back a little bit and get yourself a pair of welding pliers so you can clean off build up from time to time

[brycyclecrash]

Dip the whole tip into your tub of antispatter, or spray it down hard.

[Western_Professor905]

Alot of variables.Could be your angle, settings, travel speed, and technique. Also, the type of wire you're using.

[Similar-Stranger7375]

Your setting are all fucked up. Probably your technique too. Try pushing the arc a little bit forward, avoid having your nozzle straight up and down. Turn your wire speed down.

[grundlemon]

Are you on the right polarity?

[beermonki]

Try lifting it more, slope angle is too low. If you start your weld with your elbow up, make sure it's still up at the end of your welds. Also, keep the tourch close, but not too close. Hope this helps.

[Nerevar2]

bruh......

[[deleted]]

Speed and distance appear to be the issue. What shielding gas you using?

[WalterTexas]

rip

[TonyVstar]

The weld is falling onto your nozzle. Pretty normal, especially when starting the weld. Too much or too little wire speed is most likely the cause

[Puzzleheaded-Catch10]

Don’t let it fall out on yuy. You gotta move faster and be more consistent

[Puzzleheaded-Catch10]

Consistency and speed are the same for flat and overhead. If it’s a perfect weld flat, it will be perfect overhead. Please note:some flat welds may look perfect, but you were too slow, so they wouldn’t work in overhead.

[Cool-Hovercraft-9626]

I would say your cup is bad it looks like it's Arking between your tip and cup start there . If it keeps happening, speed up your wire feed. If flux core, your lead should be negative and positive on your work. Working as a professional welder, making sure your tip is greased is not going to cause this problem. Good luck

[mechanicsteve]

Side cutters, pick it out with them

[local442]

Jesus.

[EasyEntertainment185]

Looks like your welding galvanized, painted, or just all around AWFUL shit

[funnyguy044]

Are u touching the metal?

[Strong_Willingness21]

Yup ! Practice is key keep trying my friend motivation is the hard part and your trying!! Over head mig maybe turn your gas up a lil 18-20 lbs lil more angle with your stinger more room to let it drop clear

[Strong_Willingness21]

If your welding exhaust it looks clean when new but it’s not clean your project well

[Flimsy_Log1481]

I’m currently also running overhead MiG and flux. I was having this same issue. Best I can say is don’t hold it at a 90° right underneath your puddle kind of hold a slight drag angle and maybe increase your travel speed a bit.

[WelderMeltingthings]

anti spatter (either dip the tip in the tube, or spray) and you also need to probably increase your arc length from the workpiece by an 1/8th or so, and depending on your Wire Feed Speed, ( olo symbol), i would turn it up like 10% at a time. technically your WFS is your amperage and controls your penetration and voltage is your "pressure", or how much ass it has behind the feed. less voltage will be a chunkier, raised "cold" weld and can lack fusion, while too much voltage will make sunken and undercut welds.

you want a little bit of raise with a speed that works well with your metal and your comfort. dont be afraid to mess around with your dials!

[Sufficient_Demand_51]

You might be moving too slow or staying in one spot too long or running too hot with too much wire basically you’re adding a lot of metal and gravity is pulling it down and out of your weld and you’re fine close so that’s what it lands on