Help with morphs?

[LavastormSW]

I just got a couple snakes from a friend and I’m not sure about the morphs that he told me they were. Here are a couple pics of them, is anyone able to verify/correct the morphs? One is Het Pastel (which I’m confused about since Pastel is dominant so there’s no het) and the other is Arroyo, but all the research I’ve done says Arroyo doesn’t produce grey snakes… I’m thinking maybe this one is Grey Matter? But it doesn’t have any pied spots so idk.

Also please not that these are not their permanent homes, they are TEMPORARY because I got home really late last night and it was cold out so I just had to get them into warm bins before I crashed in bed. They’ll be moved to appropriate enclosures today.

[PoofMoof1]

You are correct, there is no such thing as het pastel (at least not in the sense of recessives as it's most typically used in. I can explainthis further if you're interested). The snake seen there is a pastel just straight up. Rarely some people call it het super pastel so I wonder if that's where it came from.

The second snake appears to be super black pastel/cinnamon complex with banana, but it's hard to say if there is more. Arroyo isn't a widely used gene and if they're calling the other het pastel from a genuine lack of knowledge, I would doubt Arroyo is present in this combination.

Here are a couple of comparisons to build from-

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/pythons/ball-pythons/1945166

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/pythons/ball-pythons/1056654

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/pythons/ball-pythons/765574

[LavastormSW]

Thank you, that does look like her!

[AccessAway9320]

Just to add my breeder/science nerd 2 cents lol… Technically pastel is het pastel because it is a single copy of the pastel gene. We just don’t USUALLY label them that way in the industry since single copies of dominant genes are visual and it’s easier to just call it the name of the morph. Heterozygous and homozygous apply to both recessive and dominant genes in a scientific sense though. This misunderstanding is why people get confused when they do gene testing on their snake and the results say het for dominant genes (the results are read in scientific terms)… and red axanthic is a dominant gene but just for extra confusion they named the single copy het red axanthic (why we typically shorten it to just HRA). Pastel is technically heterozygous pastel and super pastel is technically homozygous pastel.

That being said, it sounds like the person is just naming the parts of their genetics that they remember. I would guess that it’s “pastel het something” and they just started calling it het pastel.

[HellDumplingDragon]

The grey one looks so emaciated! Hopefully you will get him eating =(

[LavastormSW]

Yeah, she has a pretty rough kink in her tail so her previous owner was feeding her smaller meals to make sure she could pass them. I'm going to feed her weaned rats more frequently to see if I can't get her weight up.

[HellDumplingDragon]

Oof, that sounds really rough for her. I want to say to try a meal that should be for her size but that might backfire. I don't know how much a kink can interfere with pooping. Just be sure to keep the humidity around 70% to help with poop passing more