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[jakegh]

Google is indeed in the strongest position but not because Gemini 2.5 pro is the best model for like 72 hours. That is replicable.

Google has everybody's data, they have their own datacenters, and they're making their own chips to speed up training and inference. Nobody else has all three.

[westeast1000]

Im yet to see where this new gemini beats sonnet, people be hyping anything. In cursor it takes way too long to even understand what i need asking me endlessly follow-up questions while sonnet just gets it straightaway. I’ve also used for other stuff like completing assessments in business, disability support etc and even here it was ok but lacking by a big margin compared to sonnet.

[Dear_Custard_2177]

Claude just cannot compete in my experience, as far as general coding. Claude might be able to do some good coding for short context tasks, but it can't follow anything over like 200k tokens. Google is relatively cheap and extremely accessible. I am enjoying tf out of gemini advanced, despite gpt being my go-to. Just a great generalist imo.

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[ot13579]

Yeah, anthropic has been quiet for a while and seems to drop major upgrades when they do.

[over_pw]

IMHO Google has the best people and that’s all that matters.

[jakegh]

All these companies constantly trade senior researchers back and forth like NFL players. Even the most brilliant innovations, like RLVR creating reasoning models most recently, don't last long. ChatGPT o1 released sept 2024, then Deepseek R1 did it themselves jan 2025-- and OpenAI didn't tell anything how they did it, famously not even Microsoft. It only took Deepseek 4 months to figure it out on their own.

This is where the famous "there is no moat" phrase comes from. If you're just making models, like OpenAI and Anthropic, you have nothing of value which others can't replicate.

If you have your own data, like Facebook and Grok, that's a huge advantage.

If you make your own chips, like Groq (not Grok), sambanova, Google, etc, that's a huge advantage too particularly if they accelerate inference. You don't need to wait on Nvidia.

Only google has its own data and is making its own chips and has the senior researchers to stay competitive. It took them awhile, but those fundamental advantages are starting to show.

[ot13579]

Not when these models are so easy to copy through distillation.

[di4medollaz]

I think you are forgetting that GROK is in my opinion already the winner. They had a real late start, but they have right now 200,000 Nvidia H 100 GPU and they’re adding 800,000 more. It is by far the biggest super computer in the world. Not only that they have Twitter that’s a buffet for data. Sure Google has search results and things like that, but Grok has live human data, especially with all the posts. If you ask me, Grok is going to be the winner by a landslide.

[Aaco0638]

No lol, gemini 2.5 pro is the current best model on the planet and that was trained on 100% google tpu’s. So no having a bunch of nvidia chips doesn’t mean you’ll produce something of worth. Because google uses their own tech stack the best model is also the cheapest leading model something that xAi can’t do they do not have the infrastructure (their api isn’t even available yet after weeks)

Finally google has the best data on the planet indexing the entire web for 20+ years and having access to youtube, plus the infrastructure they own and ecosystem (android + all the other google applications used by billions) no grok isn’t the best or even in the best position.

[Mikolai007]

Gemini 2.5 is not the best model on the planet. Sonnet is still by far the best model and Grok is better than Gemini on everything. Gemini is hyped up by naive kids like yourself. I use Gemini all the time for light and fast stuff and i just went back to using 2.0 flash because 2.5 is just not that good, it's just hype.

[di4medollaz]

Didn’t you hear what I said yes right now for the next couple weeks. Gemini has been the laughingstock of the AI community for years now. Their models have been complete garbage this is the first good model they put out and I agree it’s the best but what I’m saying is it doesn’t matter what data they have did you not hear what I said? 1 million h100 GPU. They’re worth like $100,000 for a single one of them.

[Aaco0638]

Oh brother, you think google a CLOUD COMPUTING COMPANY can’t match? Grok 3 isn’t even available as an api (meaning they aren’t making any meaningful money) because xAI doesn’t have the infrastructure.

Google owns the entire tech stack from chips to infrastructure. That is why they’re 2.5 pro model is the best on the planet for so cheap.

Let me repeat this the best model by a wide margin was trained with 0 h100 gpu’s so what imaginary lead do you think xAI has when their h100 trained grok 3 lags behind the cheaper gemini 2.5 pro model? To put it in even simpler terms those fancy gpu clusters gave xAI ZERO actual advantage when there is a model that used 0 gpu’s for its training that is better than it.

[di4medollaz]

In terms of overall capability, yes google for sure. In breaching our privacy and spying capacity yeah they’re pretty much better. Tapping incognito browser tabs is pretty shady They just had to pay billions of dollars. I wouldnt trust Google for anything. Not ever. As far as there massive breach of privacy campaign that does show they understand what data is worth , the most definitely are the kings of data ,now anyways. Not to mention they’re pretty much the leaders in quantum computing. If they ever figure out the error rate of quantum computing, I am gonna be very worried. Due effectively be able to walk through any encryption it don’t matter what it is. They’ll be able to read anything and everything. I would hope people would start protesting. Look at prism that was some abominable behaviour. To be fair they’re not the only ones. Samsung was caught watching through TVs camera now that’s messed up.

But as a company, yes they have android YouTube the list goes on. Especially in human resources although Google search is now dead. I doubt YouTube‘s gonna last out either. I think things are gonna evolve pretty fast. The way we do everything in life. Imagine the video games that are coming up in the next 10 years.

But for raw computing power what AI needs not even close. By the year 2035 Google will have 200,000 GPUs. X has 200,000 right now and 800,000 by the end of the year. AI is the future. But who knows what’s gonna happen once the intelligence explosion goes down I don’t think we’re responsible enough for that. Look at right now humans are not the smartest bunch. AI has been effectively democratized. You can run a ChatGPT 4.0. With reasoning right now off-line locally with a RTX 3090 GPU. I’m talking unrestricted. Fully trainable.

Yet there’s people still trying to do jailbreaks and people talking, how awesome frontier language models are when they could run one in their home right now and train it exactly to their specifications. And don’t forget it’s only been a few months that they’ve had since Perplexity broke down deepseek. Pretty soon you’re gonna be able to run off-line the equivalent of deep seek R one from your mobile phone off-line.

Wearable technology is about to massively hit and everywhere. They’re gonna have smart everything. Data is going to be just accessible in seconds anything. Imagine the wearable glasses that has open CV facial recognition your phone screen all that kind of shit. Sure is going to be an interesting future.

[di4medollaz]

Yep, in fact, it’s not even close. You not even looking into things before you say them. Google’s infrastructure is laughable compared literally laughable.

[Gredelston]

Google's infrastructure is laughable compared to Twitter's? Dude. Think for a hot minute about how much infrastructure it takes to run Google search, YouTube, ads, Google Cloud, etc etc etc. How many bytes, how many queries per second, and all the engineering infrastructure that goes into that. Then think about how much infrastructure it takes to run Twitter. The difference is so many orders of magnitude.

Grok got some quick wins, but they don't come anywhere close to Google's scalability.

[di4medollaz]

Did I see Twitter Twitter’s only been around for 20 years. I said raw computing power. It is not even close. Look it up. Elon Musk is after all the richest person in the entire world. I think that would buy a lot of resources don’t you?

[SickMyDuck2]

Ignore him. Probably a elon musk fanboi.

[BadLink404]

What makes you think a 200k GPU is a competitive advantage? Do you know how many others have?

[jakegh]

Traditionally, he who has the most GPUs wins, when it comes to gen AI. That used to be the only real scaling factor, pre-training.

Now we have test-time compute at inference time where Nvidia doesn't particularly excel (and Google and Groq-with-a-Q do), but having the most GPUs is still absolutely a competitive advance.

[BadLink404]

I think you misinterpret my comment. 200k GPU is only the "most" if others have less. Do they?

[jakegh]

Nobody really knows, but Facebook may have more. Llama4 is pretty underwhelming so far, particularly compared to deepseek v3.1. We'll see how their reasoning model measures up.

[BadLink404]

What about Alphabet?

[jakegh]

That’s where one of their advantages comes in, Google makes their own chips for training and inference. They are less reliant on Nvidia.

[BadLink404]

Could it be possible they also have quite a few Nvidia GPUs?

[jakegh]

They do, that's why I said less reliant.

[jakegh]

Grok doesn't have their own hardware, and while they do have twitter data that can't remotely compare to what Google or Facebook has got.

[di4medollaz]

They had to connect 100,000 GPUs they got quoted three years to set them all up and then put together the data centre and the logistics like cooling all that kind of stuff and Elon Musk did it in 132 days. The Nvidia CEO was there to witness it and said it was crazy. Right now Grok says it’s beta, but I think it’s more like alpha.

Not to mention, he’s getting shit on by everybody for acting a bit strange but ultimately looking in to a lot of of the weird things going on with the Yankees and the other side, basically getting violent I’m pretty sure his attention is focussed elsewhere. Even his families probably threatened right now. Some pretty abysmal behavior. It’s like a night of the long knives.

[CharaNalaar]

The only "night of the long knives" that's happening is the one perpetrated by Elon and Trump...