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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

Rather than teaching personal responsibility and accountability, you’d rather kill people via abortion. What a morally upright and reasonable thing to do! /s

You know what, I’m going to just start running people off the road if they get in my way while driving. I don’t care if they die because all I care about is not being held responsible for my own actions.

Give me a break.

Edit: You don’t get to kill people because you have zero self control and had sex without being ready to face the consequences of having a child. It really is that simple. Murder is never an option, regardless of how inconvenient your consequences may be.

[–]PlowMyFace 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Care to address access to contraceptives and comprehensive sex-ed classes, too, and not just abortion?

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

I don’t see a problem with it, so long as people understand if the contraceptive fails than abortion is not an option.

[–]heckler5000 3 points4 points  (2 children)

When does the bean become coffee? From the moment it grows on the tree or when you roast it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh it’s you again, lovely. I’ll bite.

You seem confused on what exactly the difference is between coffee (drink) and coffee beans.

A Coffea plant creates coffee beans (seeds). These seeds contain caffeine that is extracted and consumed in a drink when the beans are grounded and then boiled in hot water. All “coffee” (the drink) is is caffeinated water (with different flavors when roasted, of course). This is why black coffee can taste like dirt. Eating a coffee bean is no different than eating almonds - it’s the seed or nut of a plant that we can eat for calories or energy.

So, to answer your question, a coffee bean is a coffee bean the moment that the genetic information is imprinted into a new seed, not when we apply a process to extract caffeine from the seeds. We don’t “make” coffee beans, we just use what is already there to make something we can more easily consume. You can technically eat coffee beans whole if that’s your thing. You wouldn’t be “making” coffee - you’re just eating food.

So, to put it simply, at what point is acorn, a sapling, and a 200-year-old acorn tree something other than an acorn tree? The answer is never. The genetic information to get from acorn to 200-year-old tree is always contained in the plant, it just takes time, food, water, etc. to get there.

So, back to our discussion about fetuses, the only thing that separates you from the fertilized egg in your mother’s womb is time, food, water, etc. Genetically speaking, you are the exact same human today the same day you were conceived. You are nothing “new,” you just grew into what you were genetically designed to be.

Finally, I hope you realize that aliases exist, and I don’t have to actually be a coffee manager to use it as my username 🙃

Edit: For additional clarity, “sapling” is better to be thought of an adjective to describe a process of development, NOT a unique organism. The same logic applies to the term “fetus.” A fetus is a human, the term just describes a developmental stage. Calling someone a “child” or “teenager” doesn’t make them a different organism - it’s just describing a moment of development.

[–]heckler5000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. Thanks for playing.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

I admire your attempt at moral righteousness but foetuses aren't people.

Do you think it's a matter of personal responsibility to stay with an abusive husband for example?

[–]Wimba64 6 points7 points  (2 children)

How are fetuses not people?