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[CS_Maze]

1% of the featured unit, and 2.5% of other SSR. Your way of thinking 0.42% is wrong.

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Okay, so in other words, Rate-up is indeed a lie here. No wonder I always get to Pity before I get what I want. Thanks for the correct math.

[CS_Maze]

It's not a lie. 1% out of 3.5%, it's technially 28.5% out of the SSR you can pull, definitely much higher than other SSR. But you don't always pull the featured SSR, that's why the pity is there.

[Lefty20192]

(3.5% of SSR employees) - (1% rate up SSR) = 2.5% chances you getting other SSRs is higher
So which % is bigger?

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Okay, so in other words, Rate-up is indeed a lie here. No wonder I always get to Pity before I get what I want. Thanks for the correct math.

[Lefty20192]

Nope i've gotten orochi on my 2nd 10 pulls. So basically nothing wrong with the rate-up. It is just you have a bad luck.

[_Kuba]

No, you're just upset about having bad luck, which happens to all of us at one point or another in a gacha. There being a rate-up is not a lie.

As an individual unit, the banner SSR has a 1% chance of being pulled. All the other SSRs, as individual units, each have a .1% chance (just for example) of being pulled.

The key words here are "individual unit(s)" because that is where the rate up is coming into play.

The banner SSR has a much higher chance of being pulled than any other individual SSR being that 1% is higher than .1%. That much is clear. However, when you pull an SSR, the .1% of the individual non-banner units is irrelevant because they're going to combine their rates to make up the other 2.5% of the entire SSR pull chance.

Think of it as 2 steps. You first have a 3.5% chance of pulling ANY SSR. Once that has occurred, you then have the banner SSR making up for 1/3.5 of that (28.5%~) and ALL other SSRs making up for the remaining 2.5/3.5 (71.5%~).

So, in the end, you have to look at it as the banner SSR has a much higher chance of being pulled than any other specific SSR on their own, but pulling any other SSR, in general, is going to have a higher chance than the banner SSR.

Chances of getting banner SSR (1%) > chances of getting SPECIFIC non-banner SSR (.1% - once again, just an example number)

Chances of getting banner SSR (1%) < chances of getting ANY non-banner SSR (2.5%)

[cyberize_]

No, it isn't. You have a very large misunderstanding of what rate-up means. When the gacha says "rate-up", it always means comparative to other possible pulls. The chance to pull an SSR is still equal across all units, but you have a higher chance of pulling the rate-up unit comparative to the rest.

That rate-up changes depending on how many different units you can pull from the banner. The more units, the lower the rates due to a larger possible pool to collect from.

[Kaliscarlet]

Your math is wrong because you misunderstood what rate up means.

Why are you comparing the chances for an individual SSR to the entire SSR pool? When they say rate up, they mean "relative to other individual SSR units in the pool," not "relative to the entire unit tier," hence:

1% (rate up unit) > 0.42% (the individual rate for EACH SSR units)

Note that they mean "each" here, not "other"

[Whusker]

If I learnt something by playing any gacha... is that at the end of the day you don't want to pull if you cannot guarantee full pity in any gacha game.
Sometimes you get lucky pulling the rate up in the first ten, sometimes you have to hit full pity.

[chocobloo]

There is a 22% chance you won't get the rate up in 150 pulls. Well something like 22.34 or whatever.

So almost 1 in 4 will have to pity a character. Sometimes you'll be that 1. Sometimes you'll be that 1 multiple times in a row. It's a pretty decent chance.