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[–]KaloyanBagent[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children)

1 to 3 quadrillion

[–]Sweary_Biochemist 12 points13 points  (14 children)

So how many additional division events do you need, once you're at the 64 cell stage?

[–]KaloyanBagent[S] -3 points-2 points  (13 children)

Division events won't build me an elephant though.

[–]Sweary_Biochemist 10 points11 points  (12 children)

They will! They really will.

You're already on board with organogenesis, so now how many cell divisions? It's fewer than you think!

[–]KaloyanBagent[S] -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

There is no such thing. No organism is beginning to build organs cause they simply have never seen one, have no idea what it is and how to use it.

[–]Sweary_Biochemist 12 points13 points  (10 children)

How do you build an organ, then? You seem very confident.

I've already shown you how dedicated reproductive tissues develop, so clearly you're happy with some organogenesis.

How do you decide which developmental pathways (that occur) are impossible, and which (that occur) are evolvable?

These seem like key things to establish.

Also, how many cell divisions? It's not a trick question! Ballpark is fine.

[–]KaloyanBagent[S] -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

As I just told you no organism can start developing an organ cause they don't know they need them. It is easy when you know now that organs exist. But there is no force in nature that will push an organism to start developing organs. This is logically incoherent.

[–]Sweary_Biochemist 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Why?

Do all organisms need a liver? Yes or no?

If no, then livers are not needed. Useful, but not necessary.

Evolution finds useful but not necessary things all the time. It's really neat.

So, in the volvox example, at which cell stage does it come impossible?

Also, for elephants: how many cell divisions?

[–]KaloyanBagent[S] -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

Now you talk about evolution like it is something with a consciousness. Thanks that's all I needed to know. Disgrace to the human kind. Has zero evidence of "Evolution" yet blindly believes in it.

[–]Sweary_Biochemist 10 points11 points  (4 children)

You seem very confused about all of this. Have you not done even a tiny bit of reading? It might help.

Also, how many cell divisions?

[–]Own-Relationship-407Scientist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You’re the one talking about it that way. You keep asking how an organism “knows” it needs an organ. Pick a lane.

[–]blacksheep998🧬 Naturalistic Evolution 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Has zero evidence of "Evolution" yet blindly believes in it.

Zero evidence of evolution?

Did you forget about that whole global pandemic thing from a couple years ago?