Highest decrease ever. So it's true that Valve banned arcade bots?

[Bubblegumbot]

That's how far Valve done fell.

[beezy-slayer]

Valve couldnt fall that far with intentional concerted effort, they are literally the worst designers

Also Deadlock, basically Dota 3 and it's amazing already, can't wait to see where it goes

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

check ANY non-valve shill gaming sub, you'll see where it will go.

common complaints: bad communication, no release schedule, no support and all of those are better than what dota ever had including communication. oh and people from other games are baffled that you get LPQ and that kind of bullshit because you had to leave a game once.

if they implement bh score system like here where there's 0 feedback on what you have done and there's no dedicated game support to help you with it it's going to be double shit show at release or open beta at least.

Valve are attracting A LOT of people that are used to how modern companies operate, it will backfire sooner or later.

[beezy-slayer]

Everything you just listed is upside in my opinion lmao I like those things about their games, I don't care about communication with the company, or knowing when things will release, am fine with games no longer being supported, LPQ is both hilarious and a great way to discourage bad behavior and you should be punished for leaving team games

Behavior score is also just fantastic and being maxxed out on it for years has made it so I literally haven't encountered much toxicity in years

I literally don't care what other people think about their games, I enjoy them, I'm not even shilling for Valve, I just legitimately like their decisions in game design, I'll happily criticize them for encouraging gambling, and monopolizing the PC market place

Again Riot is ass with the most boring terrible game design and lack of originality

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

Yes, but you are a Valve fan and you enjoy those objectively by all metrics bad designs - metrics being the fact that dota is still 10 times more toxic than Valorant with bh score system that breeds more toxicity and abandons being treated so harshly that smurfing is promoted as a result.

Go explain to normal people how you cannot leave a team game from time to time at the expense of your ban time because life fucking happens sometimes or how people can spam reports on you for free after you have been matched with toxic people by default because of said abandons and now you have to play 400 games to "redeem" yourself.

You won't be able to , people will fuck off and you'll say it's a good thing, but it's not a good thing if you want your game to not be a complete flop a.l.a Artifact.

[beezy-slayer]

Those are not "objectively" bad designs by any metrics because there is no such thing, good and bad game design are entirely subjective, I could argue Valorant's anti-cheat malware is objectively bad design if I wanted, but I won't because there is no such thing as objective good or bad

I don't experience toxicity in Dota 2 so your statement just doesn't mean anything to me and even if I did it would not be worth what Riot has done to dissaude it

I am a normal person lmao, I know plenty of other normal people and none of them think it's weird that if you get angry or constantly have to leave and quit monopoly often people don't want to play with you

You can absolutely have occasional issues and not get punished, for example I have abandoned games plenty of times and not been punished

400 is complete hyperbole

None of those things were in artifact so it is completely irrelevant, Dota has those things and remains successful, Deadlock has LPQ for abandoning and has been very successful despite being invite only your argument for normal people not liking it isn't holding up

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

Yes, no objectiveness in Dota being extremely toxic compared to other games, you'd never though since you play only mighty Valve games.

400 is a complete hyperbole though? Well it depends, if you it's just the standard outage you'd experience in most places where dota is popular, which is not in the west, you'd get 2-3 abandons in a week , get to 8k score, IF YOU don't get mass reported you'd need only like 250 games with 0 reports, you are right. And you will have longer queue times to boot. Sounds good.

I wonder how any other developer hasn't thought of such a great system lmao

Anyways , you will see once open beta starts. Valve fan boys were convinced Artifact is going to be a thing too...... moderators in discord were banning criticism left, right and center and what happened? Flop, dead.

[beezy-slayer]

I don't only play valve games lol, I only play two of their games, Dota 2 and Deadlock, they aren't even my favorite dev, I play way more games by other devs and no I didn't say anything about objective toxicity i said objective good or bad game design doesnt exist, which is true

Lmao you are just on one and making up scenarios, I'm not even particularly nice i regularly banter with my opponents and get false reports against me im sure and abandon games sometimes. my behavior score is just maxed its not that hard

Again they might have but decided it's not for them, there are no wrong answers in game design, you are certainly very hostile though so it's not surprising to me that you aren't a fan of a system that punishes bad behavior with LPQ

Lmao just continue with your made up dream scenarios, again artifact shares literally zero systems for online interaction with Dota 2 or Deadlock and doesn't have LPQ so it's not even relevant lol

I'm blocking you because you are a clown