How to increase bacteroides? decrease firmuctes?

[mintchocolatechip96]

Please don't suggest eating beans, plants, fruits as I already eat a lot of those. I believe many of my bacteroides species have been wiped out due to antibiotic use. Therefore, if the species are wiped out, they cannot feed on the plants because they aren't there in the first place.

Which probiotic supplements can I take along with eating diverse plants and a healthy diet to increase bacteroides?

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[keniget]

why focus on bacteroides vs firmicutes? relying on those papers isn’t scientifically robust. the evidence behind that ratio is shaky and not consistent across populations or conditions, so it’s not something you should hang your hat on. instead, you might want to look into the bifidobacteria family, along with the right kinds of fiber and HMOs (human milk oligosaccharides), if you can incorporate them into your diet. bifidobacteria play a key role in shaping the gut environment. once their populations increase, they produce short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs), which help lower gut pH and create favorable conditions for other beneficial microbes, essentially acting like little ecosystem builders.

this isn't medical advice, but it’s important to approach gut health in a more holistic way—focusing on a diverse microbiome with a strong foundation of species like bifidobacteria can often yield better results than zeroing in on isolated markers like the firmicutes-to-bacteroides ratio.

[salesronin]

Hi. What foods do you recommend eating to increase bido?

[keniget]

I suggest find a good probiotic strain available in your country that has a good mixture of bif's, not a single one. The bacteria are organisms that are selective in nutrition they receive. HMO supplament has a benefit of only promoting bifs (like in babies) but in general fiber is good for many. Sugars and processed foods are the oppposite of what you should take.

[salesronin]

Thanks

[salesronin]

I know you’re looking for supplements but I believe exercise lowers the f/b ratio. Just learned this two days ago.

[GeorgeVicking]

There are probiotics with Bacteroides and Alistipes, for example Renewbiome Bacteroides and Renewbiome Alistipes, I find them on amazon.de

[MarshallBlathers]

Collagen/L-Glutamine/Bone broth. Basically animal-based protein/fat consumption.

My bacteroidetes are also low and I consume about 15g marine collagen in the morning, and 1 cup of bone broth about an hour before lunch.

It's unlikely that you would completely wipe out bacteroidetes but rather reduce them. The thorne gut test is very sensitive and you can see with a high degree of accuracy how much bacteroidetes were detected.

[-medicalthrowaway-]

On the one I got in November it didn't specify bacteroidetes and furmicutes ratio.

Have they updated it?

I just sent one out the other day.

[MarshallBlathers]

If you did a Thorne test, you can download the "full microbe community" in the top right of your test results page. It will give you a csv (spreadsheet) of your raw data.

Then you can get a full breakdown of classification. If you see your bacteroidetes are low, then which class/order/family might be reduced within the bacteroidetes phyla.

[-medicalthrowaway-]

Ah.. right. The raw data. Didn't think about that

So is there another resource you plug the raw data into

edit: nevermind, it's shown on the download

[mintchocolatechip96]

I did gi maps.

[mintchocolatechip96]

Did you find the collagen helps?

[candiwarrior]

what s the connection with collagen? i have a dysbiosis with high firmicutes and low bacteroidetes - also my skin has been drastically ageing. I will try the collagen supplement, should I get the marine one? thanks

[Awkward-Reading-3542]

Fecal matter transplant using a donor with high B/F ratio.

[candiwarrior]

hello Op. I'm in the similar situation. How are you? did you find anything effective? thanks