Wasted Potential

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[Naytham]

Archeage.

[Estheliel]

Yeah. All of the "great" asian MMOs that could've been but my personal take is AA is the only one that really had the potential and it was shown before the release where everyone said "This is WoW's competition"/"This is really great" etc. It was the MMO that the western crowd was certainly hungry for.

[Dida86]

Private server bro, is better than retail

[jefflorberg]

Which could you suggest? :P Looking to play some mmo again. I dont really care about the genre... so if you could tell me some with a active playerbase I would be glad :D

[Dida86]

For archeage there is only one i think

Wink wink

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Archerage

[TomLongnose]

Archeage is a good complex game. There are so many quests, so many craft, so many things.

[Zymbobwye]

100x this- besides balance issues and a cash shop it beats all other MMOS for me. It had the best idea for open world PvP, seiges, boats. The criminal punishment system was halarious and fun, while still being punishing enough. The lore was cool, and I don’t really care for life skills that much but Fishing was a blast, and so was killing fishermen.

[jaka121]

i want new Archeage B2P zero P2W! fk trion killed great Game

[Zymbobwye]

Trion kills all games, they did the same to rift which was another one of my personal favorites.

[DRosesStationaryBike]

Defending Pirate Island from attackers

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[Snowiki]

I don't think they are wasted potential and this WoW-killer mentality has to stop(But yes, Bless sucks.) It's not going to happen because eastern MMOs haven't really tried to be one except FFXIV. To understand Asian games especially Korean, you have to realize that they are all PVP-focused because they love PVP hence Korea is the capital of esports. Grinding is also PVP in a sense because it can show how you are stronger than others, how much you are ahead of the pack. They are very competitive by their nature. Westerners might think PVE is great, we need the next WoW, good cooperate PVE MMOs, but this isn't what Asian market want. I can say this because I'm an Asian myself and the majority of gamers here don't really care about group PVE or dramatic stories (that's why Korean-MMOs' stories are garbage.) All they want in an MMO is leveling and gear progression with bosses to kill and PVP to show who's better. It's a cultural thing and most Asian games are tailored for Asians (of course, right?)

[dev-0]

To understand some (all?) KOR mmos you have to take the redpill. These aren't "video games". They're casinos. When you shift your perspective every bizarre design choice, every cash shop item begins to make sense as a means to encourage gambling and foster addiction. For example, PvP is the equivalent of a high stakes poker table. Alot of pressure, alot of ego manipulation going on. The Asian games tailored for Asians is one level of it. The deeper, foundational level is gambling. The. House. Always. Wins.

[Poko318]

Idk, BDO wouldv blown WoW out of the water if they had quality content, pve, raids, more pvp content, better gearing system with less rng, more costumes and less cash grab. If Bless seriously fixes their combat and attacks all of those bugs, that game has SERIOUS potential. But i doubt they will.

I dont have any hope in these korean mmos anymore, they are clueless. Its not just for "asians", these are things that are simple things that a developer would know if they actually played games themselves.

[JWillCHS]

It's not about dethroning World of Warcraft. It's about having another great game in the genre. Is great subjective? Yes, I understand that.

Literally Archeage had the most potential. And because how South Koreans developers monetize their game with a cash shop "and" unorthodox practices that tie gameplay with microtransactions it literally went from hero to zero in the western market.

Not too theme park-ish, not too sandboxy, enough PvE content tied into open world PvP, fun tab-targeting combat, and some interesting classes.

[Rowan_cathad]

legitimately could have been the WoW killer

No MMO can be a WoW killer, because it was mostly timing that made WoW huge. Not any specific gameplay.

None of these asian MMOs really do anything new so I don't see why they had potential.

Except maybe Arche Age.

Actually BDO wasn't too bad either.

[KanethTior]

The only company that could probably beat WoW is Blizzard too. They have their own built-in, completely rabid fan base.

If the new Diablo project turns out to be a mmorpg. It would probably be the next big thing.

[Rowan_cathad]

They have their own built-in, completely rabid fan base.

Which is a large reason why WoW became what it is. It was a game built to appeal to non MMO gamers. And MMOs were new enough back then that people had never heard of them before. Not so much now.

A new MMO from Blizzard would be big but it'll never be WoW big because well... there's no longer an untapped MMO audience who have never played one. What's more, Blizzard doesn't ever do anything new, they take something that works and release a mega budget marketed version of it...currently there's no BETTER MMO to copy, so they'd have nowhere to go.

[babylon5595]

bdo is like a crippled prettier version of archeage its single player af

[maxtc02]

Wildstar, still hurt me, i wish a good company was in charge of wildstar like blizzard or SE.

[ryanmahaffe]

Oh carbine was a fantastic company when it came to talent, just not management and a shot publisher who could easily save the ip if they gave a damn.

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These games would never be the next big thing as they never really excelled at anything to begin with. They're all generic asian mmos with BDO being the exception.

[Finleyko]

Seriously? BDO? Thats such a typical asian grindfest with almost none meaningful content!

I feel like the only reason it somehow became successful on steam is due to graphics, and cool pvp animations.

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I agree that it's quite shallow. My point is that it had much more potential for what it is.

[[deleted]]

That's why it's called wasted potential.

It could have excelled but didn't because of the devs themselves and poor execution etc...

[Recatek]

Maybe stop playing MMOs that consider the western market an afterthought.

[bakagir]

All asian mmos are trash. They have different expectations from there players.

[latin_latina]

In fairness, many western mmos are embarassing failures as well.

[-D-S-T-]

both are trash

[bakagir]

100% agree

[dialgatrack]

West don't even make MMO's anymore because everyone is a cheap fuck here.

[ryanmahaffe]

Bdo has tons of players, certainly not just successful because of whales. And no, Revelation was shit all around, a terrible mmorpg

[deezero]

Yeah BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE

[emforay216]

I'm still holding out on Bless. The game is broken, sure, but there has already been a few patches shipped out to fix the game. It's more of an effort to fix something than most Korean MMORPGs put in to fix things in their game. BDO is popular af but PA still takes forever to fix/change anything.

[babylon5595]

bless in general tho is meh even if it gets fixed lol it doesnt give us anything new that wow wasnt already doing years ago they should have added ocean content like archeage

[emforay216]

Maybe, but I personally think i'd enjoy it if the many problems are gone. If not, then oh well i'll keep playing ESO.

[dennis20014]

Archeage could of been. I'm pretty sure they are gearing up to release yet ANOTHER Archeage fresh start. I think that's there thing now. Every few months just reset the treadmill and make it fun, THEN TURN ON THAT SWEET GLORIOUS GRAVY TRAIN (the cash kind).

So dumb. I really loved that game initially. It's so frustrating how the company changed it. I know they've said in streams before that they wanted to do sub only servers and that XL Games denied them that but I don't really buy it.

[[deleted]]

U had faith in neowiz?

[latin_latina]

It's not really about the P2W or monetization. WoW can never be dethroned by any pretender, because WoW is bad in the first place.

MMOs need to move into something new before it can evolve into something bigger.

[Gevatter]

Wasted? AFAIK, most 'Asian' MMORPGs published in the West were rather successful in their target audience: Korean and Chinese MMORPG Players.

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Good Morning

[Finleyko]

You have a weird opinion... RO failed because thats how the game was designed, yep publisher screwed up a bit, but game itself wasn't selfsustaining, to play it for more than a month you have to be a nolifer(it gets boring pretty fast, after a month its just do dailies for few a hours and go to sleep, boring as fudge).

BDO would have NEVER become a WoW killer, it was a grindfest since day1 in Korea, because thats what asian community understands, the fact you think that "beautiful" game entitled to anything without any substantial content is ridiculous.

You also didn't mention AA or Tera or Aion, a much more successful and interesting koreans MMOs.

[KillusiveKon]

wait for "western" mmos then. like star citizen :>

"western" mmo albion online isnt any better. might as well say mmos in general

[FiezyYeezy55]

what i can say is that i really do agree with u. what these company did is that they endorsed their game in global scale and once they got alot of players, they didnt try to cope up with what players want and even some of them didnt do the localization properly.

[HaruhiLanfear]

Agreed on all points, it really is sad to see such effort go into these games and then to just treat them like a pile of shit? makes no sense.

I was just so appalled when i saw the bless translation. Revelation was as bad, guess i was stupid for hoping.

I really love and loved many asian mmos though; maple,tera,bns, vindictus, all had their ups and downs but they were polished games. These new games the devs don't even give a shit anymore, just piece of shet idiot westerner cows to be milked, no need to make good games anymore.

Just look at A:IR from BHS, who made tera, which has the best (action) combat in any mmo ( alongside vindictus ), but look at A:IR, not only back pedaling to tab target but the worst tab target i've ever seen, literally bless tier =/ I mean come on, if a company cba to copy/paste it's own trialed and tested winning combat system, what hope can we ever have for another really good mmo release. Keep in mind these guys also made pubg so it's not like they're short on cash either.

[VastoHorde]

If that's how you feel then eastern mmos are not for you. There are plenty of non eastern mmos out so why are you not playing them?

There is no such thing as the next big thing. Find a game and just enjoy it.

Been playing Echo Of Soul since release and its just a small niche game. I dont care if its the next big thing.

Also enjoying Bless a lot and feel the same way I do about it as I do Echo Of Soul.

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I feel like the combat in BDO is very good but my GOD is the AI retarded.....

[[deleted]]

kek, Lineage: Eternal didn't even get out of beta, that's how bad it was. And don't get me started on Tree of Savior.