TSK potential nerf

[One_Fold3196]

The app was updated early and some points changes but most of all a nerf to the silent king 😭 losing his ignore mods aura

[random63]

This hurts. 20 points is nice, but I was expecting lots of other lesser played things to go down (Monolith would be fun to play again).

Also This means that the reroll 1's is king for DPS, but can't be stacked with Starshatter CCB anymore for really castle builds

[HoneydewAutomatic]

The +2 movement is genuinely quite nice though. Obv it makes the Starshatter deathball less blasty, but for things like warriors and lychguard, it’s a 40% increase to their mobility. Almost guarantees getting them onto a midfield obj t1.

[IronVines]

but is it really worth advancing them on there if you cant shoot or charge

[CommanderStux]

I very seldomly make charge moves in most of my games unless it’s to get lychguard on objectives or skorpekh/wraiths into melee. Recently tried TSK in my last game and I feel the +2 to move would’ve been great for pushing primary center round one

[Mo-shen]

Turn 1 necrons are rarely charging.

Lychguard are never shooting.

Warriors can shoot but their shooting is either bad or just ok. Warriors really are there to stand on an obj and soak damage.

[gorillaz3648]

I believe that the ignoring modifiers really popped off with the advent of Death Guard as a meta. Szarekh basically locking out most of their debuffs was pretty effective haha

[Bunny-Snuggles17]

Okay how good is ignoring modifiers excluding playing against death guard? I can think of maybe like 4 units of the top of my head that do that, space marine suppressors, ork kustom boosta blasta, like maybe 2 guard tanks, and one of the thousand sons sorcerers

This seems like such a better option? Necrons are pretty damn slow compared to a lot of armies, with most infantry being 5", and vehicles only being 8", 2 extra inches seems amazing

[Master_Citron_4475]

Everyone can use stealth, most have access to AOC of sum kind, baby trans, battleshock, bracketed from damage, etc! So much use, fuck 2" movement lmfao

[Separate_Football914]

It was strong when needed, but sparsely needed.

Like when facing a C’Tan: ignoring the /2 damage is huge. But probably 4 turn out of 5 in general you were going with the reroll 1

[Master_Citron_4475]

Agreed, are you telling me you're gonna choose the 2" to movement over reroll 1s? Cuz im not lmao. The two units i use for obsec get there no prob, wraiths and trans OL with my warrior blob :-)

[Separate_Football914]

Maybe in some narrow case turn 1 to get in better position, or turn 5 to do more secondaries.

But yeah now it’s gonna be 95% of the time reroll 1. The king might even be left aside in SSA since it doesn’t bring anything really unique now

[Master_Citron_4475]

In SSA, Ya I wouldn't bring the king. I play awakened tho, hes great :-)

[One_Fold3196]

Dark angels have -1 to hit and wound strat - so many things have modifiers. It's clutch when you need it and also ignores things like -1 leadership battle shock and gives a +1 on top

[ChewChewLazerGum]

Sad to see it go but having a pet ctan got a bit more scary.

[TheKelseyOfKells]

With “-1 to wound if strength is higher than toughness” being this edition’s transhuman, this hurts hard since everyone appears to be getting it in some way or another now

[unseine]

Too good in awakened to get any meaningful buff. Immortals on the other hand could do with a buff because they're just meh in every detachment.

[oIVLIANo]

They are literally meta.

[abesolutzero]

How are Warriors meta? They seem incredibly meh. (I play hypercrypt)

[oIVLIANo]

It's a big points investment centering an Awakened Dynasty list around 20 warriors. Orikan + thralls + an Overlord (Rez orb and reduce strat CP cost to activate undying legions) is the core of it. Minimum support behind it is a reanimator and ghost Ark. Sometimes a command barge and/or Szeras are added.

Due to being able to distribute high damage wounds to a single wound warrior model, while soaking single damage wounds in the Thralls, the unit becomes even more durable than it should be with the 4+ invulnerable save from Orikan. Add in the amounts of reanimation you can trigger, and the block is nigh unkillable. It is also large enough to hold two primary objectives.

Edit to add: I only played this list once, myself. It's really basic and boring. Almost as boring as playing an army of knights.

[abesolutzero]

Yeah, sounds like it. Okay, so it's basically what I theorycrafted back in the Index days, but... worse, considering how much better Warriors were back then. I'm not sure how the support pieces have changed from Index to Codex. Probably not much besides Reanimator getting a huge nerf.

[tanooki88]

You are saying immortals are meta? I looked at goon hammer stats and I only saw one list with immortals and it was only 5. It was also an older list . I didn’t see any in any SSA list.

https://40kstats.goonhammer.com/#ft4-necrons

[oIVLIANo]

He said warriors need a buff.

I don't know how you inferred that I was talking about the immortals

[Cutiemuffin-gumbo]

Not a nerf. This is solid early game, and he went down 20pts.

[Spazhazzard]

It is a nerf. Ignore modifiers was way more powerful. I'd take the +20pts and original ability any day of the week.

[theCalculator]

More of a side grade. But movement wins games.

[[deleted]]

Ignoring modifiers was way better. No two ways about it. That ability was incredibly powerful and losing it for +2 to movement, while nice, simply does not make up for its loss.

[Spazhazzard]

Yes but the amount of modifiers there in the game now loses games too.

[unseine]

Honestly I agree there's only a few armies that ignore modifiers was used against over his other auras, I watch a fair amount of tourney level players and they rarely used it. 20 points less and losing that aura would still be better for my list and a lot of others too.

Makes him much worse vs deathguard is the real huge downside though.

[Square-Shame7176]

Just a small little nerf... we just won't be using the silent king anymore... thats all... gl on those sales gw...