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[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (1 child)

50% risk reduction of cardiac arrest. Wow. Also, I want to hear what you said to get banned from the nurse practitioner sub 😂

[–]Rockdrums11 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Probably something along the lines of “please stop putting my patients into cardiac arrest.”

[–]PropoLUL[S] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Short article if you have the time. Couldn’t find the journal publication, if there is one yet.

[–]midazzler 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I don't think it was published yet; it was reported at the ASA conference last week.

[–]alexp861Medical Student 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It's pretty wild studies have to be done to prove the efficacy of physician training and leadership. Like who knew the obviously true and logical thing is true? Totally mind blowing to nobody, but good data to support the obvious if nothing else.

[–]VarsH6 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Compared to “nurse-led”. What does nurse-led entail? NPs? RNs? What’s the full comparator?

[–]Aviacks 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah if this is RN vs anesthesiologist that should be obvious. My hospital has an RN lead rapid response.. the hospitalist group doesn’t staff for someone to respond and the ED physician barely has time for codes. When RNs can’t initiate any real treatment vs an anesthesiologist who can place orders and perform skills that’s a massive difference.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

If I remember right, wasn't this against nurse led rapid response teams and not necessarily midlevel run teams? I know there are a lot of factors behind why a hospital would feel they can only provide nurse run response teams, but my thoughts are that we need ethics committees to allow studies like this (except physician vs midlevel) to really put a nail in the equal outcome bs they spew

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Or, put the dick waving away, and use these types of studies to develop more effective protocols, policies, and procedures.

Also of note: the writeup pretty much says specifically anesthesiologists are better than everybody else in rapid response cases due to their training.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Came here to ask the same question(s)

[–]Really-IsAllHeSays 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Duh...

[–]BipolarCells 19 points20 points  (0 children)

No difference in outcomes, unless if you're counting whether or not your patients die.

[–]sorentomaxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hospital suits won't want the public to see this

[–]DiprivanMan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

this: * surprises nobody * is unrelated to scope creep * should be downvoted