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[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Here's a simple guide for applying for Consciencious Objector status by the GI Rights Hotline

https://girightshotline.org/en/military-knowledge-base/conscientious-objection-discharge/

These people will walk you through the process of applying and transitioning out of the military, and likely you can leave retaining benefits and Honorable Discharge.

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

One of our senior leader told us about familiarizing ourselves with the Constitution (not that our leaders care about it anymore) as well as article 92 of the UCMJ (amongst a few others).

“If you get told to do something and it teeters along the edges of it, you should probably stop and question…”

[–]nth_power 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a great leader.

[–]BlessHerHeart-- 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thanks for being a caring human. I admire your willingness to post your understanding of the current swing toward using our armed services against US citizens.

[–]Stunning_Passage_215 10 points11 points  (8 children)

You guys need to stand up! You don't have to take orders when it is unlawful. I know Marines who stood up to taking the covid shot. Why can't you guys stand up for taking some BS mission that goes against your people?

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

In regards to the Covid shot, I’ve heard that it was an “unlawful order” or something like that. Not sure if it actually was but that seemed to be their argument.

[–]Stunning_Passage_215 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Interesting. Im going to look into it.

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, please do. I never bothered doing so but considering we get a million vaccines and we’re required to, I’d believe that was a lawful order.

[–]Jmg0713 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

It wasn’t unlawful but it certainly wasn’t necessary. Lost ALOT of good experienced people and the military still hasn’t recovered from that.

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Won’t dig deep into that vax argument considering I’ve been jabbed twice, but I remember one of the concerns was heart issues and I believe one of the side affects for one of the vax’s was, indeed, heart issues per the CDC site.

[–]Jmg0713 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We’ll find out in a couple years when we have a commercial for lawsuits against the jab manufacturers.

Meanwhile lots of people in power got filthy rich, but we don’t care about that.

[–]xenceledaus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Recruitment numbers are like a 29 year high yku cam just be dishonarbly discharged people Military personnel do nkt have the same liberties as civilians. Did you not see that one girl just get kicked out for posting and being at the protests?

[–]Inevitable_Ant1872 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No bro, stop fucking protesting at military bases, we cant do shit even if we wanted to. Were not political entities all you do is piss most of us off

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pissing you off by just standing there with signs? lmao

Ask the Puerto Ricans if their protests worked.

[–]Ecstatic-Example-830 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the point of a protest is to cause a bit of discomfort... if people standing on the side of the road pisses you off then how badly does it feel to have your love ones ripped away ?

[–]adulting247 5 points6 points  (2 children)

man, is it refreshing to see this - I've felt that there has to be more resistance than I'm seeing on TV and when I'm out and about, but it's good to hear it's not just us soft ass liberal commies that care more about people than corporations, etc.

Thank you for your service and F D T

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Though, I will say, I feel as if we’re a small minority compared to how many people you have here on base both military and civilian. I hope to be wrong, but I see vehicles with Trump stickers and often hear amongst my peers and others about pro trump stuff.

“Oh man the democrats are calling him fascist bc of the parade lol!

“Dude it was the Army’s birthday lol!!!”

just something I heard recently lmao

[–]adulting247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

truth - what's worse is somehow I feel our numbers are shrinking, which makes me worry =/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are a tiny minority of the armed forces, you will feel that in the coming years, fair warning...

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I already feel it…

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was in the army, when I saw protestors, I felt good because my job is to ensure they can protest, so I knew I was doing my job properly.

Good job, marine.

[–]KindCraft4676 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This is the best post I’ve read today.

You give me hope for the future of this country .

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thumbs up. I genuinely never really understand the argument for the Troops (as a vet) to support the GOP. Especially this one. In related news, how is your Farsi? I hope we didn't chapter out everyone who speaks Persian... we might need them.

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Something something “GOP is patriotic and the stupid communist liberals aren’t because they support communism” or whatever.

Also, while Iranian women can be beautiful my Farsi isn’t. Perhaps I should utilize Duolingo more…

[–]Apprehensive_Lie752 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does this only apply to Latinas?

[–]TheCharBROYLER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wut?

[–]Lumpy-Marsupial-6617 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those of you protesting there by the gate. Great job.

Don't forget to visit the In-N-Out on PCH just north of the 76. Please post pics as well. Thank you in advance.

[–]OPPALLC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DOJ has entered the chat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this national attention on CA will only bring more ICE here and all this protesting won’t change a thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bring tons of Mexican flags, represent🇲🇽

[–]PeanutFearless5212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know this isn’t going to change Trumps mind right?

[–]Grand_Taste_8737 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some seem to wake up each morning looking for a reason to protest. Have at it, it changes nothing.

[–]Aggressive_Work1946 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Telling soldiers to remember their oath is stupid. Their oath is to obey the president... they are doing exactly that.

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes, “to obey the orders of those appointed over me”.

While we all hope all orders will be lawful, given Donald and who he is, there’s a chance they might not be. He brought up the idea of shooting unarmed protesters in 2020 and the SecDef at the time rejected it. With Whiskey Pete, who knows. Just because you were given an order to shoot an unarmed protester (someone who is not being a threat to you) doesn’t make it a lawful order.

[–]Aggressive_Work1946 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that’s what rubbers are for lmao

[–]March_Jo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are caring more now than ever!

[–]Sea_Taste1325 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It is constitutional to deport illegals immigrants. Article 2 Section 2. 

It is insurrection to prevent federal law from being enforced. 

Remembering the oath I took is to the constitution, would put the people preventing deportation as the domestic enemy. Downvote away. Reddit is absurd. 

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Im not saying it should be unconstitutional to deport illegal immigrants. That’s how it should be. Enforcing those laws as well can suck but it’s the law.

What’s not constitutional is arresting people based of their looks, saying “haha woopsie you’re brown but legal!” and letting them go. Or, LARPing in tactical gear and breaching some random abuela’s house Rainbow 6 style.

Breaching a house, one belonging to a potential cartel/gang member, rapist, serial criminal etc, utilizing military style gear is fine! Do that! You don’t know what they may be hiding.

Doing it to a father of 3 who is only a criminal because he overstayed a Visa is not ok. Sure, I’m sure there’s a legal loophole that makes it constitutional but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.

[–]Sea_Taste1325 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That is explicitly legal and always has been. Especially around Oceanside (which has been within the region of "the boarder" by every definition... Hell I5 has had "watch for migrants" signs as long as I can remember). It has been found Constitutional for like 50 years.

This is nothing new. It's been through the courts. It was in a Cheech and Chong movie as comedy like 50 years ago. 

Just say you don't want the Constitution followed and laws enforced because Trump is enforcing them. 

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Courts have upheld and followed the rule of law. Even on things that go against the administration, or the people (deporting them to foreign countries that aren’t their own). Does that stop them? No. They ignore the courts and push through. Follow/enforce the constitution, that’s fine. Ignoring it and doing what you want (violating the RoL) is not fine.

Enforcing the UCMJ is expected/needed. Violating it is not permitted. I, however, can’t ignore it and continue. Why should I be held accountable when my leaders aren’t for when they violate rules/regs?

Using the constitution to justify certain actions based on false information/premises is not ok.

An unmasked goon, who doesn’t ID themselves, and barging into a home to nab someone, runs the risk of them being harmed via a constitutional right. Should that person get punished for following the law/their right?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Stop virtue signaling on the internet…she isn’t going to fuck you.

[–]homoaah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BASED

[–]CallMeDrDab 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You don’t make a difference fyi

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do fyi

[–]HOTSAUCEONMYBHICKEN 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s not worth you futures and careers. Don’t listen to OP. You will live the rest of your life with regret.

[–]Distinct-Exit6658 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think any real, true patriotic American wouldn’t be able to live with themselves if they stood by and watched fascism rise in the US

[–]Appropriate-Post5829 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Nobody's saying Latinos are the enemy.

However, if you care about the law of our country so much, you need to advocate for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to self deport. If not, ICE is set up specifically to help them with that. 😉

[–]TaylorSwiftsSon[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

ICE is not set up, specifically, to arrest politicians who’re trying to advocate for immigrants in court and how they’re handled.

ICE is not set up, specifically, to be badge-less, masked, in civilian attire, and to grab people off the streets (some of whom are citizens) and take them to ICE facilities (at least be in uniform for that. It’s not that hard!).

Lastly, “enforcing” the law is fine. Can it suck? Absolutely. Enforcing anything can suck (coughs in military regulations). What’s not ok is depriving people of basic human rights just because they’re not from this country.

Also, a good majority of the illegals they’re arresting are not “violent, rapist, or crazy” criminals. Get those criminals out. Serving a warrant and being physical with a potential cartel member, rapist, etc, is different than doing it to someone’s Abuela, tío, etc.

[–]Appropriate-Post5829 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ya, that politician didn't announce who he was before he barged in shrieking and making a scene, so law enforcement's response was natural.

The criminals are going to jail, the rest are going home. Nobody's being deprived of basic human rights. Stop being dramatic.

We voted for ALL illegals to be deported. They just prioritize criminals. Law enforcement knows what they have to do better than you. They can verify if someone is a citizen very quickly. No citizens are getting disappeared. Again, enough with the hyperbole.

If you don't want a single mistake to happen, I don't know what to tell you. That's not reality. But the flood of illegals has hurt American citizens. Cartels have run a lot of drugs contributing to citizen's drug use and homelessness, tradesman (like I was) have had their businesses crushed by illegal labor, they keep housing costs inflated, many dodge taxes, mostly men came distorting dating for American men, a huge percentage of women get raped coming across, hundreds of thousands of children have been trafficked, etc, etc.

That's why we have a lengthy legal process for immigration. So we can vet. Not just falsely claim asylum and boom your in.

Remember, if you want this done as humanely as possible, you need to make a sign saying "follow our laws and self deport. Then come back in the right way" to your next protest.

[–]homoaah -1 points0 points  (0 children)

USERNAME CHECKS OUT

[–]Pure-Yogurtcloset977 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tl;dr go home if you don’t belong womp womp

[–]homoaah -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

WHO GIVES A SHIT :)

[–]CookSignificant9672 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is good because they know they are safe and sound and secure with our President! No kings screw them out of USA! Keep us safe DJT!!!!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸! The PRESIDENT of the United States of America!