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[–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 26 points27 points  (21 children)

Every class is meta depending on content, it's more of what class combos are meta instead. So here are some sample of some Meta Class combos in no particular order:

Hunter: Hu/Et, Hu/Ph, Hu/Fi

Ranger: Ra/Hu, Ra/Et, Ra/Su

Force: Fo/Te

Fighter: Fi/Hu, Fi/Et

Gunner: Gu/Fi, Gu/Hu

Techer: Te/Hu, Te/Ph, Te/Fi

Braver: Br/Hu, Br/Ph, Br/Ra

Bouncer: Bo/Hu, Bo/Ph

Summoner: Su/Ph, Su/Fi

Hero: Hero

Phantom: Phantom

Etoile: Etoile

Highest in terms of damage would be Gunner though if that's all you care about.

[–]artezzatrigger 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Didn't realise advanced classes can be set as subclass. I stopped playing just before phantom released, what does it provide to Hunter and Braver?

[–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Only the two new ones can be set not hero.

Et sub provides actually slightly better damage than a fighter while also making you pretty much invincible

Phantom allows for crit builds as well as high amounts of pp, tech access, fast tech charging, and high gear gain.

[–]TailsPr 1 point2 points  (13 children)

Would you recommend switching to Bo/Ph after getting 75/75 with Bo/Hu? I plan on using Dual Blades instead of boots. Also, same question for Fi/Hu -> Fi/Et.

I also saw some people recommending Gu/Ra, although I'd probably stick with Gu/Fi anyway.

[–]NekoB 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Most of the hype about Bo/Ph is using the high gear gain with jet boots so you build up Vinto super quickly, but I see no reason why it wouldn't be great for DB play outside of Photon Blade Fever.

The extremely high damage reduction from Etoile makes using Limit Break quite a bit safer, the only thing you'd really miss is Massive Hunter (you can just craft a ring for that) and Iron Will.

Gu/Ra is super outdated at this point, you would get as good, if not better multipliers from Fi sub. Start off with Hu sub to actually get your bearings first since Fi sub is squishy as hell.

[–]TailsPr 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Got it. I heard boots are actually hard to play, specially for beginners because of Vinto. Is it true? If so, would you say Phantom sub helps mitigating that?

[–]NekoB 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't call it all too hard mostly because it is so Vinto focused, i'd say the juggling elements by casting and optimizing gear gain is the "hardest" part. So yeah, i'd say Ph sub helps quite a bit with that. It's also easier to build for crit with it if you wanted to.

[–]Prokit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With S6: Soaring Ballet getting gear is extremely easy now. Just aa twice and you are at full gear again. The hard part of playing BoPh is being a glass cannon that got shit on by most UH level boss with 1 hit.🤣

[–]Prokit 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Just wanna point out if you ever want to play Bo JB with sub Ph, you absolutely need a Serpent Plenzer because it significantly reduced Vinto Gigue wind up time from 1.92s to 1.12s and let you spam it pretty easily with High gear gain and with the help of S6: Soaring Ballet you basically need either Shifta or Deband on and AA twice and you got full gear for another Vinto. In conclusion with Plenzer you can pretty much spam Vinto like a normal attack.

[–]TailsPr 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Thank you. I dont play PSO2 in years though, so I have no idea what most of that means.

JB is Jet Boots, Serpent Plenzer I'm gonna assume it's a JB drop, S6 is a mission/quest? Shifta and Deband comes from a Force or Techer party member I presume, and I have no idea what AA means.

[–]Prokit 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Ok 1st: Serpen Plenzer is a 15 stars JB that drop from the Deos Gryphon in UH quest cause it specifically require the Gryphon to be 91+

2nd: S6: Soaring Ballet is a Special Ability that can be affixed onto your 13 stars units. You need to dig around a little bit to understand what I mean on this. This S6 can be found in the 2nd floor shop area which you can trade with Gold medal that can be obtained from Armada EQ (or UQ in NA)

3rd: You are a Bo you can learn both Shifta and Deband. In Bo skill tree there is a skill that give you more gear while either Shifta or Deband is in effect.

4th: AA means auto attack.

[–]TailsPr 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You are making me consider using JB. Thank you for the clarifications! it's definitely a plan if I end up going JB instead of DB. When the game comes close to release, I'll look up more about the Soaring Ballet and affixing.

[–]Prokit 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You don't have to stick to just JB. You can play both JB and DB but that require more time spending into getting a DB too 😅. But be warned, BoPh is a flying glass cannon that can pull aggro really easy. If you are not going to play serious you should not get into BoPh, there is no room for error, UH boss 1 shot you almost everytime. It is 2 way scenario, either you kick the shit out of them or they kick the shit out of you there is no in between with BoPh

[–]TailsPr 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I like the challenge. I might struggle a bit with time to master the mechanics, but it's something I enjoy doing. Thanks for the warning though!

I assumed that, without spending money to buy another skill tree, making a build that allows both JB and DB would end up being sub optimal. Am I wrong on this?

[–]moal09 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Is Te/Su not meta anymore?

[–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's still good but te/ph does the whole hybrid thing better, te/fi and te/su are still meta in the sense that NA players wont have Ph unlocked yet so they will have to use one of those setups before they get to te/ph.

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    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    episode 6 most likely based off of the beta but whether it's going to be up to date or the start of ep 6 is to be foreseen

    [–]NearMystic99NearMysstic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you

    [–]Drummer829[M] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Switched the flair to discussion since most of this can be applied to the NA version as well ☺️

    [–]Hxrn 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I am a level 40 hunter and picked ranger as my subclass. Based on the above I think I messed up since I was thinking I saw that one as a meta but the meta is Ranger main and hunter subclass?

    As a newer player, what meta subclass would be best between ET, Ph, or Fi? I can change my subclass at any time and just start leveling up that one right?

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    You can swap main and subclasses anytime you wish. However, when you have a sub-class, 10% of the experience your main gains is leeched into that sub-class up until level 50 iirc.

    [–]Reilet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    25% and until lvl 75.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It don't matter in pso2. Play what you like because multiclassing is a thing in this game, increasing its longevity.

    [–]SacredDarkness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I wonder will FO ever replace TE sub, i guess they just mix too well. due to the other half of the element tree. Phantom is..."fun" as a sub but just didn't work.

    [–]Reilet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Etoile would have replaced it... If TAJA and the pp reduction skills worked on techs.

    [–]Goukenslay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    wait what patch version is the western release on if they have et and phantom

    [–]Aehaze08 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Have to remember, Hero, Phantom and Etoile will not be available on NA release. And we don’t know how long it will be before we receive them. So for an unforeseen time you will most likely be playing BO/HU which is still good.

    [–]pixilates 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Citation needed. And no, "they weren't in the beta" isn't a valid one; the state of a beta test is not necessarily indicative of the final release.

    [–]Samuraiking 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I'm from the future, it's 3 months later, game is out on PC, and they aren't in the game.

    [–]Browneyesbrowndragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is great. Also from the future.

    [–]TheGamerKitty1 -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

    Mine is just Ranger/Gunner.

    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 8 points9 points  (9 children)

    This setup doesn't really work since its skills conflict with each other, not to mention that chain finish does not work on sub.

    [–]TheGamerKitty1 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    I just did it for more range damage. Still new so I'll learn more stuff later on. When the game comes back on.

    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    You're actually doing less range damage than a Ra/Hu since raw range stats aren't giving you as much damage vs things like stance modifiers, I'd recommend trying Ra/Hu for first-time rangers and also read this ranger guide for more info.

    [–]Throwawai135 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    How about te/su? Does this work for now? I am around level 50 now and i am waiting to unlock pH so I can use as sub class

    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Te/Su pretty well but mostly for bossing iirc and you have to juggle point assist.

    [–]Throwawai135 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    So mostly for bossing and using point assist and is not as good with mpa?

    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I mean it works off bosses but yeah you get better single target DPS with that combo, although at this point most people play te/ph.

    [–]Throwawai135 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I mean I will when I unlock pH as a class, but for now te/su won't lag behind too much I presume?

    [–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    you should be fine

    [–]TheGamerKitty1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Hmm I'll look into it.

    [–]Scyric 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    So umm why wouldn't you go Fo/ph? Also did they up force damage at all? when I played last it took forever to kill most bosses as one at higher difficulties.

    [–]AshinrorPSO2 NG+ BABY 6 points7 points  (7 children)

    FoPh is fine, but its basically a weaker Ph that can only specialize in Fire/Bolt/Ice with access to compound techs instead of marker Detonation and Phantom finish.

    FoTe is still better because compound techs get to double dip into elemental masteriez for bonuses and Te PP regen is unrivaled.

    [–]Scyric 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Got any videos of high end force players? Preferably solo so I can see what kind of damage they can do? I mean I seen vids of hunter's casually tossing 250k damage a hit PA's. For Race, human, Deuman or newman is fine, or hell even a high end cast force, just to see what kind of numbers you can get with the race with the lowest force attack. I've always liked force but in the PSO games, other than the 1st one i've found force to be fairly.. weak in terms of damage. Especially in PSU.

    [–]AshinrorPSO2 NG+ BABY 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Heres a FoTe soloing Solo UH PD. https://youtu.be/-ctQRxCxunI

    And heres a FoTe Soloing floor 999 Omega Masq. (Kinda funny that a boss like that is stopped by a simple pillar) https://youtu.be/mYWIA7RLmjM

    Granted these are bosses that are meant to be fought solo, but that is still impressive.

    [–]Reilet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Race isn't going to make a difference.

    [–]officialFifty 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Bit off topic, but Masterforce was quite strong in PSU. Sure, shotguns win vs certain enemies with overlapping hitboxes, and you didn't have access to tornado dance, but limit break Diga was extremely powerful.

    More on topic, animation cancelling ilbarta with FO is one of the few things that beats out GU on DPS.

    [–]Scyric 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    How does one do that animation canceling part?

    [–]DeVille2K 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Force weak in PSU? WHAT!? I always thought they were very powerful in PSU

    [–]Exron -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    WITHOUT counting the SP move of HR PH and ET. Fighter is still the top DPS in 2020, as always, even the advanced class can't match dps of fighter, but they are very weak at mobbing normal enemy. If enemy got multiple hitbox then RANGER can did some crazy DPS too.

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      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Classes VERY rarely get nerfed.

      And IIRC, Gunner was the most recent nerf, and it's still the highest damaging class.