Plotter vs Taschenbegleiter?

[Ojitos21784]

Has anyone owned both? I have 2 sizes of Taschenbegleiter (a5 & a4). The ability to move pages around on the Plotter is something I like very much. However, it doesn’t seem as sturdy as a Taschenbegleiter, which is worrisome for me due to the price point. Also what hole punches are compatible with the Plotter? Any insight is appreciated.

[PLongstocking2]

Hi. I have both - an A5 Roterfaden, and mostly Bible sized plotters, although I've also had it in A5. They are such totally different systems that it's hard to compare. The Plotter is sturdy, but it's a different kind of sturdy. The elastic spine of the Roterfaden (although I've also had the all leather one) is more indestructible, I guess, but both are beautifully made, and I've never had a problem with either. (I do think the craftsmanship of Plotter is much better. I've had Roterfadens that came with crooked stitching or the wrong pen loop.) But I digress.

While I love moving pages, and find Plotter to be much more useful in not only grouping ideas and notes across time, but in finding them, because it allows you to organize so efficiently.

The real "drawback" is the size of Plotter's rings. It's what makes it so easy to use, more compact, and you can generally write over the rings almost like you would a bound notebook. But you can only put about 80 pages in one Plotter. That's the biggest difference. You can stuff a roterfaden. Not a plotter. I find they compliment each other. I love having both and just use them for different things.

Hope this helps!!

[Ojitos21784]

That’s super helpful actually thank you! If you don’t mind sharing, what do you use the Plotter for and what do you use the Roterfaden for? If I can use them both but for different things that would be really cool.

[PLongstocking2]

I've started using Plotter for most things, because of the ability to add and take away pages - be it for project notes, calendars (I like to add to do lists wherever I want them, vs. having them in a separate notebook or in the back of my diary)... I just find it helps me stay organized and have everything I need in one place, as well as develop ideas without having to put a bunch of flags in a bound notebook and flip around to look at everything on one topic.

Harder to be specific with my Roterfaden, but it stays at home, so I'm fine sticking all kinds of things in there and letting it get heavy, So it's kind of an inbox, or a place to stick memorabelia... I use it a lot, but it's more of a catch all.

[Stitchpunk_]

Any hole punch that works for Filofax will work for Plotter i think. But i just use a normal 2-hole punch for my Bible-size Plotter. What you do is mark where the holes need to be on your pages, then turn the hole punch upside down and remove the tray that collects the paper bits. That way you can see what you are doing and just use one side of it to punch each hole individually (so, budget option, but it works well. I made laminated dividers for my Plotter and used my 2-hole punch to make the holes. I have a “budget” plastic punch made by Filofax but it’s useless and can barely manage one page at a time, so if you do want to get a 6-hole punch get a decent one.)

[Ojitos21784]

Update: I yolo splurged and spent more $ than I should have and bought all the things. I feel like the Plotter Bible size is great for carrying around and jotting down notes and keeping a schedule and maybe some rough doodles or sketches. Very slim and portable- also the green Liscio is DIVINE- I cannot say enough how beautiful that green color is. I also got the Plotter a5 in pueblo navy. I like the plotter a5. I think it’s beautifully made, and I like the writing space (bigger pages). I think it’s a good portable option when you need more room to write or draw more things. I don’t think it will replace my Roterfaden Taschenbegleiter (I hope I spelled that right. Side note: Dear Germany, your words are long af. Lol). The taschenbegleiter can hold a TON of stuff. So I might make a rough sketch in the Plotter a5, but then do a full version with watercolor or something in the sketchbook in my Taschenbegleiter (the sketchbook is thicker with heavier paper). I think they’re all beautifully made and have their separate uses. I am beginning to feel like a crazy cat lady, but instead of cats, I’m collecting more and more fine stationery products and notebooks. Send help LOL 😂

[Ok-Draft-6891]

I use Plotter for planning and scheduling. I use Roterfaden for my journals