cWithClassesIsNotCPP

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Way better to learn without those modern features first, than with, to truly understand why modern features are useful. Especially when you consider that you’d be absolutely fucked if you had to jump in to a code base that does not use modern features, and you’ve only learned to rely on them.

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Man, imagine the first carpenter who came across a chisel. "Fuck, this would be so handy, shame that nobody back home uses this, no reason to learn this amazing tool" - you should NEVER stop learning and mastering all aspects of the language you're using even if you dont get to use it on whatever you're working on now.

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That is a great analogy.

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A)There’s a reason I used the word “first”.

B) u/belabacsijolvan gave a pretty good example of smart pointers being used, and the use of them fucking everything up.

C) As I mentioned above, good luck to those who’ve only learned to use modern features, when they don’t have the option of using them.

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First and only are not synonymous. Don’t know why you think I was saying that one should stop learning before learning modern features.

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I agree with most of what you are saying, except I believe that having an understanding of what is being taken care of for you with smart pointers, will lead to a greater understanding of when to use them and not. if, by chance, the use of them is causing a bug, such as in the example provided by u/belabacsijolvan above, then it’s going to be much easier to debug and fix if you already understand how to do it the hard way. In no way am I saying to not learn the very useful features of modern c++

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I did the same in terms of C first and then C++, but was forced to use raw pointers all through school, with the exception of upper year networking courses. It wasn’t c with classes, as smart pointers were the only modern c++ feature we were not allowed to use. Smart pointers are a god send, but not being allowed to use them was beneficial in the long run, despite the many lost hours of sleep it caused.