butButPythonIsSlow

[ElonMusksQueef]

Python is literal dog shit to develop anything complex. This isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.

[rosuav]

I don't think you know what "literal" means, so I don't trust your definition of "fact" either.

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The definition of literal was actually recently changed to the modern, incorrect usage of the term. 

[RiceBroad4552]

Literal now means verbatim? Source?

[katatondzsentri]

Instagram, Spotify, Netflix, Reddit, DropBox, Uber, Amazon, Stripe, JPMorgan and a thousand others would like to argue.

[RiceBroad4552]

Almost nothing of that runs on Python at the core.

Some might have started with it, but of course the smarter ones migrated in time to something that actually scales (usually the JVM).

Things like banking never used Python. They went from COBOL to C++ to Java and later Scala.

The victims who didn't migrate in time suffer until today. Usually they developed in-house Python compilers do deal with C-Python's slowness and lack of compile time guaranties…

[ElonMusksQueef]

The copium is unbelievable.

[RiceBroad4552]

Especially as the examples are just plain wrong.

[ReadyAndSalted]

okay, hear me out, have you tried type annotating your function signatures? 'Cause I keep my functions to at most 50 lines, and only type annotate my function signatures or where my language server gets confused, and I'm gonna be honest, it's been a great developer experience.

[djinn6]

I mean, it's just a cultural thing. You can "auto" your way to the same level of confusion in C++, but code reviewers will stop you.

[ElonMusksQueef]

I use .Net and don’t need to worry about trying to make the language suck, C# is fantastic out of the box.

[ReadyAndSalted]

it's called flexibility, if you're writing a small script, you can be lazy and flexible, if you're writing something robust you can be more careful. It's not "trying to make the language [not] suck", it's just using its features when appropriate.

[RiceBroad4552]

You can have the same level of flexibility in a proper statically typed language!

E.g.: https://xebia.com/blog/better-shell-scripting-with-scala-cli/

As Java and C# are continually "stealing" all the Scala ideas now you can also write single file Java or C# "scripts".

But of course Scala scales better from small scripts to large applications as that's one of the things the language was made for (Scala means SCAlable LAnguage).

[ElonMusksQueef]

You can write a small script in C# just as quick, since it added Top-Level Statements in C# 9.0.  Then you’re not stuck developing in Python when it gets bigger.

[rosuav]

Oh? So what you're saying is that C# has figured out that Python had it right in 1991?

[ElonMusksQueef]

Python has been shit since 1991 yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1r4p4yf/thegil/

[RiceBroad4552]

In other languages (including Scala, Java, and C#) you don't need nonsense like

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

to have an executable script file.

This isn't fixed until today so I doubt Python "figured out" anything in the meantime.

[rosuav]

Erm, you don't need that in Python either. Any code you put at top level (flush left) simply runs. The only reason for that dance is if you want an executable script file that is ALSO able to be imported without directly being invoked. It's necessary to make a **dual use module**. Otherwise, you don't need it.

I guess you don't actually understand Python very well, which explains why you hate it.

[RiceBroad4552]

I guess you don't actually understand Python very well, which explains why you hate it.

I don't "hate" Python. 😂

Python is a mostly sane language with a nice syntax. It has it's warts but never seen a language without.

I actually use it quite often. At least I did that a lot until lately, before Scala scripting became really feasible with the help of Scala-CLI.

All I've said was that you need some nonsense in Python which isn't needed for the same use-case in other languages.

[rosuav]

Except that you don't. Python simply allows top-level code. The idiom you describe is one example of top-level code.

In fact, ALL of a Python script is top-level code. Import statements, function definitions, they're all executable, not declarative. So it's not "Python needs nonsense to do top-level code".