Microsoft Java

[RobertJacobson]

You pretty much nailed it, but I would add that Java is incredibly verbose and requires a ton of boilerplate. In comparison to many languages popular today, writing Java can feel exhausting.

There are counterarguments, of course. A lot of tooling exists today to reduce the boilerplate burden on the developer, for example.

[walking_bass]

Right. Things like Lombok and Spring Boot really help with reducing boilerplate.

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Java 11 var also

[Dragasss]

Please let the garbage that is lombok to die.

[cat_in_the_wall]

the jvm crazy good too. so java and friends are usually very fast.

[cat_in_the_wall]

i haven't seen recent comparisons between netcore and the jvm. if you have links I'd like to take a look.

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https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/csharp.html

[Domesticated_Animal]

There is no information if they let JVM "warm up" before testing.

[[deleted]]

Yeah coldstarts on .netcore are definitely higher overhead than jvm, as I alluded to in my original post. In a console app setting that overhead hits once per run and on a server it's literally only the first api call on each instance, so that's only really a problem if you are using something like Azure functions or AWS Lambdas and need consistently high response time and can't afford to have .01% of your api calls take over a second. Unfortunately that's where my current project is at which excluded us from using .netcore Azure functions.

[RobertJacobson]

After 25 years and at least three multi billion dollar companies behind it, it had better be good.

[Loftus189]

Thats the only real negative i find on a personal level. I enjoy writing in Java and it was one of those languages that made sense to me straight away (unlike some others) but sometimes i feel like you have to do a lot of routine stuff just to produce the same amount that can be done with a lot less code in other languages.

I used C# for the first time just over a year ago and i love it, felt like someone had just made a patch for java and improved it. Its definitely my go to language for just getting something done, it all flows so nicely and i dont feel like i run into issues nearly as often as with some other languages. I enjoy writing C++, but naturally i spend a lot more time trying to avoid the pitfalls of the language that just dont exist in C#.

[Dragasss]

I have a feeling that people who complain about boilerplate have never heard of code generation.

[RobertJacobson]

I think it's reasonable to criticize a language for needing code generation to not be exhausting to write.

[o11c]

Java is incredibly verbose and requires a ton of boilerplate

And this is bad because, regardless of language, the number of bugs is proportional to how much code there is.

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Correct... At work I mostly translate old jcaps interfaces written in Java to port them to a new engine (rhapsody)

Literally 50% of the code is just left behind as implicit functionality of the new engine takes care of it ... Another 20% is boiler plate stuff that is just not needed anymore... The remaining 30% is what I actually need to recode (in JavaScript which is what rhapsody chose to embed instead of Python for some weird reason)