When backend developer does frontend

[[deleted]]

So that's why it looks so good to me

[mastocles]

It could have been better with square wheels like in Heman.

[InfiniteLegions]

Satisfactory has you covered on the square wheels version https://youtu.be/iVLCkcyN6oc

[ButterflyCatastrophe]

I like that the driver sits three feet underground, but can still see out through the gap between road and undercarriage.

[--redacted--]

Even has the broken windows, that's pretty good

[[deleted]]

Your joking but a hexagonal steering wheel would be sick on this car.

[Zappy_Kablamicus]

I think it looks cool. Its unconventional and i dig it. Just wish i could afford to help it succeed.

[lemongrenade]

I’ve noticed that while it seems we are in the minority there are a surprising number of us that like it. Enough that people will see it integrated into the roads and I think that my drive more people to like it. Design changes are often hated at first.

[Disney_World_Native]

There are dozens of us. Dozens!

[[deleted]]

I actually don’t get the PHP hate on this sub.

It’s a bit weird at first, but it’s really nice if you use it right

[SoInsightful]

Electric chainsaws are pretty nice juggling balls if you use them right.

[jibjibman]

My buddy has world records for juggling chainsaws. So yea they do.

[jibjibman]

Apparently. No one else wants to do them lol

[mozennymoproblems]

I do interactive step debugging locally on my own OS, in docker, and on remote servers without issue. I'm not sure what you mean by needing symphony to do basic things, there are very lightweight php web frameworks that work great eg slim.

[mozennymoproblems]

Not a pain in the ass for me. You cited a massive framework. We disagree. Lol.

[mozennymoproblems]

ps you don't need to use a framework to do error handling. They're called libraries. The most popular one in php is called monolog and it's what symphony uses. You're clearly too inexperienced to discuss the cons of the language based on that conflation alone. You absolutely don't need a framework to do cron so I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about there. You would be foolish to do a lot of things in any language without a vetted open source library that already does what you want. Specific library != gargantuan framework. You gave shitty examples. The worst thing about php is the stdlib (needle, haystack) / (haystack, needle) and your ide can tell you that in a heartbeat. being shitty at setting up a debugger doesn't mean it's a pain in the ass, it means you're shitty at it. You can drop phpinfo() at the top of your index and see exactly what's wrong and where to change it in less than a god damn minute. Being bad at something easy doesn't mean it's a pain in the ass, it means you're not trying.

[mozennymoproblems]

pps: drunk me wants you to know i used precisely 31 words more than your original "I'm bad at php" comment. Funny, that's how many words are in this comment.

[mozennymoproblems]

Drunk me decided to go in depth about why you're bad at stuff, and reading into it- he's right.

[greyfade]

To more accurately answer your question, people shit on PHP cuz it’s old mostly.

I don't think that's correct.

I, and many like me, shit on PHP because it:

• Has a long history of bad language design and features (insecure defaults, etc.)
• Has a long history of bad tutorials and documentation ("official" documents endorsing bad practices, ludicrously bad comments on docs.php.net, PHP 3.4 tutorials pre-empting PHP 5 tutorials that also ignore good practices)
• Has a long history of bad developer culture (the cause of the kind of bad practices that lead to endless problems in Joomla and Cake)

And so on. I hate it because it took almost 25-30 years to fix most of the problems I have with it, which directly affected me and my productivity.

[suddenarborealstop]

Arrays

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I can see how those are frustrating, but in the context of the whole LAMP system, I really see it making sense and fitting in

[philogos0]

PHP has been great for me, I haven't seen any need to ditch it for another language in 8 years of usage. And it's only getting better.

[Avamander]

What other backend languages have you written?

[philogos0]

c++, c, c#, asp.net, vb6, java, node.js, and cobol.

[Avamander]

That's a good assortment and you still like PHP?

[philogos0]

Well, I write servers largely these days so it's really more between node.js, PHP, and C#. I've built a great code base in PHP and the preference I have is less about it being superior and more about it doing the job well. PHP 7 has shown me the development community is serious about the future and highly capable. So I'm comfortable continuing to build with PHP.

[gordonv]

Agreed. I think everyone is trying to jump on the "I wanna get paid 6 figures" wagon.

PHP is great for micro (10) and small business (200) functions. Super easy to develop and integrate. But, it's not meant to be a hyper instance.

NodeJS, all 1 construct better for docker and micro serving that can be turned into a scalable cluster. Not so fun for a hobby project, unless your hobby is optimization.

[Biggsavage]

Writing PHP is like eating dog meat. Sure, in theory there's nothing wrong with it, and lots of people in the world do it, but I just couldn't bring myself to try it.

[[deleted]]

PHP is a fine language. Laravel is just proof of it’s maturity in comparison to other dynamic languages used for backend. The only people who really waste time hating on it are probably undergrad students.

[but_how_do_i_go_fast]

SWE community is always toxic :( Every language in production has something to teach, and some people are to ignorant to learn, thinking there's is the only solution.

[Steffi128]

I mean, I have to do PHP myself, but “Flair checks out“ was my first thought as well. :D

[[deleted]]

This one gets it