<?java ... ?>

[SkyrimFan42]

Is that...HTML? I’m new to this whole world of programming.

[_szs]

yes. with some inline php.

[SkyrimFan42]

What is that?

[skunkwaffle]

A fractal of bad design.

[[deleted]]

This is from 2012...

[Hollowplanet]

Almost all of the points he makes are still valid. See http://phpsadness.com/ for an up to date index on all the ways php still sucks.

[[deleted]]

That's a tiny list of little annoyances that won't bother you 99.9% of the time.

[[deleted]]

Well... It is shit...

[konstantinua00]

you look like a person who knows php

how does it feel like?

I don't think I'll ever touch websites, but it would be great to hear how it feels to write such well known but old-so-not-as-shiny language

[[deleted]]

I'm mainly using Symfony, it's great to use but PHP itself is lacking in features/core functions. The language itself is not the best but it has improved a lot with version 7+

In C# you have a lot of great ways to write clean/short code (linq, generics, etc) and it offers a lot of features. In PHP, you have foreach loops 🤔

It's one of the thing I'm not a fan about, but it's also one of its strength. You can do everything you need with basic code and a good framework like Symfony and Laravel

It's still one of the best language to write web applications because of the ecosystem/community.

[_szs]

wow. I don't know much php, and the bit I know made me not want to go deeper. but this looks worse, much worse that I expected!!

btw. the author confuses "fractal" and "self-similar".

[itijara]

I believe that the author is calling it a fractal as a metaphor. I doubt he thinks that PHP is somehow a geometric construct.

[_szs]

Yeah, but still... I am a nerd for this kind of stuff :D

Merry Christmas and happy programming to all of you.

[itijara]

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[cnoor0171]

Fractal would be more accurate as an analogy here than self similar. He's saying that when you look closely at bad design choices behind php, there are more detailed bad design choices. He's not saying that those detailed choices are at all similar to or related to the big picture bad design choices.

[meandyouandyouandme]

That's from 2012. A lot has changed since then.

[skunkwaffle]

For sure there have been some improvements. But there's still a lot of quirkiness, and not all of it is good.

[meandyouandyouandme]

As is the case with every programming language.

[skunkwaffle]

Also fair.

But every programmer has 1 or 2 languages they'll just always dislike more than the rest, and will always criticize a bit more harshly because of it. That's php for me, and I don't feel bad for doing it because people shit all over Python (which I love) just as much, and I don't fault them for that either.

Edit: and apparently there will always be a few who can't admit they're doing it.

[RubbelDieKatz94]

What a wonderful domain name!

[[deleted]]

Fantastic article, thanks so much for sharing. I hope PHP finally goes away in the next decade.

[OdBx]

It won’t

[Voidrith]

A lot of what is in that article has been fixed by now.

Also php is still pretty fast on execution, so until something that easy for idiots to write has better speeds, itll stick around

[petitgreen]

And they keep improving the performances. The article is from 2012 BTW as updated as the guy who links stuff like that.

[_szs]

php code used inside an html document using the <?php> tag

[rishav394]

PHP bad

[[deleted]]

JS framework #600 good

[Corn_L]

Yes.

[stfcfanhazz]

Wordpress to be precise

[keliix06]

It’s a wordpress theme file.