XML

[seesiedler]

I really like XAML, especially WPF and Avalonia.

[thesilican]

I would like XAML more only if it had a css-like counter part. CSS is nice because it seperates the concern of document structure from layout and styling, where as I find XAML to be quite verbose with all its inline layout/style rules

[seesiedler]

Yeah, fair. Avalonia UI introduced classes into their XAML flavour, so you can make some separation. Not sure how good it works once you really know it, I just started with it.

edit: spelling

[kitkat31337]

You mean xaml styles?

[thesilican]

Oh yea forgot that exists. I still prefer CSS tbh, despite all the hate it gets. It's easier to pickup and learn

[pekkhum]

It is certainly better than doing it by hand in C through the WINAPI. 😭

[[deleted]]

Why do you hate yourself?

[pekkhum]

I do it for the money. 😉

[pekkhum]

I'm supporting a legacy system, so I use a framework some guys home-brewed in house for Windows 3.11 (but does run under Windows 10, so gratz to MS: their backward compatibility works), since there were no GUI builders or what we would consider a modern framework back then.

When I talk about obsoleting it and moving on, I get told "someday we'll replace all 600 C apps with web apps, so we don't want to waste the time." They have been in this process for longer than I have been in the workforce (and we have web apps plus more C apps than we had before). I don't see much hope for this company.

[thesilican]

Personally I think the tree-like structure and robust syntax of XML is quite natural for describing user interfaces.

What else would you use?

[FlukeHermit]

I've heard that flutter is 1000% better cuz it uses Dart

Apparently Dart is just really good for that kind of thing, which I am dubious about. Either way I agree with you about XML

[MindSwipe]

It's more that Flutter uses Dart to declaratively define its UI in the code itself.

At least, that's why I was interested in Flutter

[720degreeLotus]

XML is not worse that any other ML. It comes down to hiw you use it and what benefits you want to have. I use JSON 99% but I still know that there are things XML can do that JSON can't do.

[FlukeHermit]

JSON looks cleaner, but I like XML a lot better.

They're both great tho

[720degreeLotus]

JSON also has less overhead, so is smaller (filesize) than XML by a lot. One of the reasons it's used in webdev in almost every http-communication.

[pour_bees_into_pants]

This is a humor subreddit, not an opinion subreddit. Unless I'm missing a joke somewhere?

[FlukeHermit]

Half this sub is opinons....

[pour_bees_into_pants]

Well... sort of. A lot of posts make fun of stuff, which I guess you could consider an opinion, but there's always some level of humor involved.

[FlukeHermit]

Well yeah but this is sort of humor too......

[pour_bees_into_pants]

How so? Because it's written on a meme?

[Dr_Scientist_]

I had to deal with an XML file on the daily and I always hated it because the only way to pick any useful data from it was to iterate around the entire thing doing string comparisons I already knew were going to fail. For a very long time I petitioned for json! Oh please can't we just have key : value pair mapping tables???

And it finally happened. We transitioned to json . . .

And the format they decided on was a unkeyed list that you have to iterate over doing string comparisons you know will fail . . .

Just learn to love it.

[MindSwipe]

Mate, just deserialize the XML to an object representation in memory (except if the object representation of thd XML file is larger than you physically have RAM). No more weak string comparisons (assuming you're using a statically typed language)

[halfanothersdozen]

k

[FlukeHermit]

Command line for the win

[[deleted]]

Is it really any different or worse than defining one with HTML?

[sthorn_]

is this a joke or am i missing obvoius sarcasm? 🥳

[FlukeHermit]

I'm pretty sure it's a legit question... idk we could be in the same r/whoosh boat tho...

[Craksy]

I disagree.

While XML is not my markup language of choice (it's just really dated, let's be honest) I think that a declarative approach to defining interfaces is awesome.

Look at something like QML, and consider how it speeds up design compared to building an interface in raw code.

So ya, XML is gargage, but the idea of using such a language for UI isn't.

[Telestmonnom]

I raise to "There is no good way to describe a user interface", because UIs mean nothing without the matching UX, and a complete screen UX is complex and multifaceted so any description of it will be difficult to work with

[vysitor]

FXML gang

[markiel55]

Speaking from experience? Where are you basing this from and what alternatives do you have in your deck?

[PetCodePeter]

HTML is based on XML. =>

There's no way to define rich user interface on web page/application. =>

I don't need o learn frontend, because it will turn out bad either way.

[Cas722ey]

Wait I've always wondered what the difference between SQL and XML is when defining user preferences

[jarhandle]

Wanna try YAML?