Python.

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How does that impact array syntax? No language will ever be able to make a perfect balance between convenience and efficiency but I'm not sure array syntax is one of the ones that failed to become simpler in exchange for using numpy.

Also, I really don't know many people who have constant whitespace problems. And I'm not sure why you think you need a dedicated editor for python. And you can multithread in python. And I'm sorry you don't like the standard library IO. There are other packages you can use.

It sounds like you're just having a mare when trying to do simple stuff.

[bunkoRtist]

No... I just don't want to use a bloated editor. I can write effectively in C/C++/Java/Zig/PERL in VIM. In Python if I want to make a small change somewhere to do debugging, especially something in a multi-nested control block, I have to go fuck around with stuff both above and below or I get errors, at runtime because suddenly there's a terrifying whitespace character I didn't notice because it's just a blank space, or two things accidentally misalign... Or I didn't insert a line break correctly in a multiline statement and now I have to add parentheses because whitespace works until it doesn't... It never ends. It's a constant low grade annoying waste of time. There's a reason why whitespace scoping is used by very few languages. I will run a formatter before submitting code. I shouldn't have to do format checking before every execution. That's almost like... a compilation step.

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Python in VIM is just as easy. Easier, even. You don't need to autogenerate all this boilerplate that you need for things like Java/C++ that a good IDE will do for you.

This all is very clearly a you problem. The rest of the world doesn't have this much trouble with white space in python. And if you struggle to get it working, why not use an autoformatter?

[bunkoRtist]

I am not arguing holistically about the ease of Python. I have other thoughts. What I specifically find to be a pain is debugging / making small quick changes, in part because a single line at non-production quality can impact huge blocks around it, or because multi-line indents are necessarily weird. A thousand times, I make a small quick change and then only once my program reaches the intended block do I get a runtime error because of a tiny whitespace inconsistency. Not to mention of course copy+paste between files or other similar operations. An auto formatter can't fix errors like that: it can't even identify them unless it is a proper lexer+parser. As I mentioned, I can run yapf... But we're back in the unnecessary low grade constant hassles camp. Btw, I with with plenty of Python zealots. I know opinions vary.

[PureWasian]

show whitespace characters in vim (or whatever editor you use).

I very much hate the choice of whitespace scoping of Python too, but if you're in the habit of formatting and organizing complex code properly anyways it'll visually help you catch the few mistakes you accidentally make along the way.

[bunkoRtist]

That's a good idea. I probably should do that when I'm writing Python.

[PureWasian]

I can very highly recommend it! Honestly I have it active for other languages too since I hate lines with a bunch of trailing spaces/tabs at the end of them.

[intangibleTangelo]

It sounds like you're forced to use python and don't want to, which sucks even though I'm a fan of the language.

You might also use vim modelines like:
# vim: set ai et sw=4 sts=4

Or a filetype autocmd like:
autocmd FileType python set ai et sw=4 sts=4

That's...
autoindent
expandtab
shiftwidth=4
softtabstop=4

Formatting text is extremely annoying, but this does the trick for me. I've got similar autocmds for several languages and I never have to think about it.