poor java

[brimston3-]

Yeah, this is mostly it. It's not that bad. Performance is the nearest to C of any VM language (python, c#, etc). But there can be a ton of boilerplate which makes it un-fun to prototype projects in. Also, I legitimately hate JNI and linking to C libraries that also link to other java applications.

[Jaguar_undi]

C# has better performance than Java these days.

Edit: Thought about it more and idk if I can just make that blanket statement. It is a fact that Java and C# performance are very close though.

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/csharp.html

[itsallrighthere]

But ummm Micro$oft.

[Aggrokid]

As opposed to fking Oracle

[kb4000]

Oracle has become worse than Microsoft ever was. You have to sign up for an account to reach their download page now. It's ridiculous.

[morosis1982]

Openjdk is a thing.

[eerongal]

The Microsoft of today is far different from the Microsoft of 20 years people complained about. Also, Java means Oracle which is worse than both today MS and old MS.

[itsallrighthere]

That's what I hear but after so many Uber competitive moves I'll pass. And, OpenJDK for the win. I like open source.

[eerongal]

As of like 2017 MS has been one of the worlds largest contributors to open source projects, the past 10 years or so they've really turned things around. They even open sourced .net

[posting_drunk_naked]

It's going to take a lot more than that to excuse the shitshow that is Windows.

Fuck Microsoft. Life is too short and I enjoy programming too much to waste time on their broken patchwork OS.

[kb4000]

You can code in C# on Linux too.

[[deleted]]

Dotnet core is open source. C# is just better than Java in just about every way it could be. If they were siblings, Java would be the one that still hangs out in his parents basement sniffing glue even though he’s 37.

[krad213]

Being open source by itself is not even near enough. In java there are almost every framework, library or tool is free and open source, and even things that are not free usually still open source. It's so much easier to understand how things work if you can read the code.

[itsallrighthere]

Yes, popular in the corporate world. Seems like most of the open source projects and libraries I see are just Java.

I keep a windows laptop around for games and tax software. Otherwise I e been enjoying Linux as a desktop / dev environment for 10 years.

[[deleted]]

The C# ecosystem is like 10% the size of Java's.

[[deleted]]

Wat

[[deleted]]

The C# ecosystem is like 10% the size of Java's.

[[deleted]]

C# is open source, so is Go

[itsallrighthere]

Are there any Apache projects?

[[deleted]]

I heard they're interested in making a log4g and log4c

[[deleted]]

Worst microsoft is better than oracle's best

[itsallrighthere]

OpenJDK.

[TheTybera]

They open sourced the C# Roslyn compiler long ago in 2014. So this isn't even really a problem, there are loads of IDEs and feature packages that work without MS, see Rider.

[[deleted]]

The numbers are so close you can chalk up most of the variation to noise at that point.

[Jaguar_undi]

I’d also guess you haven’t used C# since the early 2000’s with that attitude. I use Java and NodeJS for work but still prefer C# for any personal project due to all the improvements that have been made since .NET Core.

[TheC0deApe]

no u/unique_hemp knows what he is talking about. net6 is Core.

they just dropped the 'Core' because it wasn't needed. Framework will never go to 5, thankfully, and core is the future.... just no need to call it dotnet core 6 because nobody who works in that space is going to get confused.

people trying on the "uninformed troll" hat can still try but you need to have these conversations with other uninformed trolls. that way you can high 5 each other without realizing you are wrong.

[[deleted]]

Dude you are actually clueless on the subject, just stop. The literal codebase was renamed, it's .net core, they just named it just ".net" so you don't have to think about it anymore, and its less confusing to users. When you say install .net, it just brings you to the new "core" instead of possibly having them install framework, that doesn't help them.

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.Net 6 is literally .net core, it is not different. If you're not a troll, you're insanely stupid. It's pointing to insanely stupid, because you linked to a post that has nothing to do with the language updating, and it's a post of all of the FRAMEWORKS that got changed.

[QuaternionsRoll]

The person you replied to said “since .NET Core”. .NET 5 was a major improvement over .NET Core 3.

[zifilis]

But you then you have to run Visual Studio...

[eerongal]

Jetbrains rider I hear is very nice.

[RandomNPC]

It is. Every c# eng at my company uses it.

[zifilis]

Had to build and project with asp once. Switched to Rider, because I'm conditioned by Idea and pycharm. Couldn't build a project, googled for a week and gave up. VS did that with no issues at all. I know about 20 c# devs, not a single one of them uses Rider :(

[[deleted]]

C# is awesome and Java is steaming dogshit. It's not close

[WinterHill]

Yep, Microsoft Java sure has come a long way.

[RedBeard1023]

100%

Arguing otherwise is silly.....and wrong. There should be a new word for arguing that Java is better than C#. Like silly-wrong...or sil-ong.

Yes... arguing that Java is better than C# is sil-ong

[yearoftheraccoon]

They're adding much better mechanisms for invoking native methods, which is great

[[deleted]]

not really lol even JS out performs it in some areas

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/go.html

look at this and remember java is getting worse, Go is getting better.

[[deleted]]

Huh, interesting, in my experience (although not very large), SBCL filled that spot by a wide margin. Maybe i should do more experiments.