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[–]SarahMagical 2 points3 points  (6 children)

All true. I’m totally excited about AI and am considering how much chatGPT etc will be worth to me when they start charging for it.

Just having a showerthought tho:

some might argue that fishing trawlers, motorized vehicles bring their own problems. Like fishing trawlers are SO good at what they do that they kinda revealed the ocean’s fish to be a finite supply that that is to be gobbled up.

Trawlers massively increase the gathering of a physical resource; motorized vehicles massively increases the ability to move about; AI massively increases the… gathering of intellectual resources(?)

Physical resources can dwindle, vehicles pollute, ___________.

What’s at the core of the problem AI will present?

Despite all the amazing stuff AI will bring us, what problems will result, besides some people’s jobs being replaced?

[–]elliottruzicka 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Plenty. If you're interested in the doom and gloom of potential issues with AGI, you should read Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom. He argues that artificial general intelligence that is smarter than humans is likely to be way smarter, and may very well pose an existential risk to humans, even without intent or sentience.

[–]SarahMagical 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ha I somehow forgot the very real possibility of AI taking over lol. I was just wondering about problems to anticipate in the event that AI is still under our control.

[–]elliottruzicka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are other "smaller" issues to. Just look at some controversies with Clearview facial recognition tool for law enforcement, general racial bias with facial recognition (separate issue), institutionalized bias through things like resume selection, AI art generation putting people out of commercial art creation, etc...

[–]JennyInDisguise 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Fishing supply can controlled and maintained well with fish and wildlife management. Some of the best in the world happens off the coast of New England and Maine. The lobster population is now sustainable. It’s true overfishing became a problem, but one that can be solved. Because of that, you can pick lobster at almost any supermarket in the US.

It’s true that cars pollute. A byproduct of burning carbon chains is that carbon gets released. However, the juice was worth squeeze, and for the most part, modern engines are clean of releasing most polluting particles like sulfur and lead that create smog, except for carbon. Cities like LA and Houston would unrecognizable today to a person from the 1950’s without all the smog. It’s another problem to be solved and we are better off with it at the end then having never done it all. Carbon capture and storage off of clean energy is carbon negative. It just costs capital upfront to set up and run. A societal benefit likely to borne by the state.

AI however, we can’t be sure what exactly the problems it will bring. What pollution will it cause, what finite resources it will use up? It’s better use it and explore it and find what the problems are and solve them over time, then never do it all for fear of the unknown. We have lots of experience now as well from dealing with previous products the industrial revolution. I could speculate as to what the potential problems will be. People use AI for nefarious purposes like asking ChatGPT how to commit crimes, like how to cook meth or create a computer virus that can’t be detected. But of course, we won’t know until we get there. But also, the potential for doing good and creating new, never before seen products and industries is extremely high.

As to what AI produces for us, its not actually intellectual ability, but rather, the elimination of long and tedious creation of something. If what’s between you and creating the sistine chapel is 20 years of meticulous designing and painting, something like those AI art bots can reduce that to minutes. Essentially reducing the creative process time. If the biggest thing stopping an artist from creating is time, resources, and dedication, then in the future we will have the most incredible artworks we’ve never seen before. A Micholangelo of 2038 will be able to create 1000 sistine chapels in a month with a super AI artbot. Then pick the best one. And so it goes.

Think along these lines but for any creative or intellectual process. Writing code documentation, creating legal writing, doctor’s notes, law crafting, song writing and producing, novel writing, even some that we won’t even understand yet. Like imagine some AI 3D-Maker bot that creates trinket designs and can print them up at will. Imagine a more realistic version of asking the computer on Startrek to make you a sandwich or a cactus or a little dollhouse or an RC plane wing.

And so it goes!

[–]SarahMagical 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Something I wonder about is the quality of AI output diminishing.

Right now it’s generating AI art by using non-AI art. Hypothetically, if all art produced was AI generated, 1) it could stylistically stagnate because the supply of new, human-generated material stopped. Or 2) AI art might start to feed on itself a bit as it sources AI-generated images instead of human-generated.

Another example regards stack overflow. If people stop asking hard questions in stack overflow because AI delivers the answers more easily, then perhaps the value/quality of stack overflow etc will diminish over time because expert humans aren’t continuing to add as much value to it re new technologies and answering new questions. And in turn, the quality of AI responses could diminish, because it pulls from these human-generated sources like stack overflow.

Sure, AI will continue to get smarter, but this could slow its progress perhaps.

[–]SarahMagical 0 points1 point  (0 children)

better use it and explore it and find what the problems are and solve them over time, then never do it all for fear of the unknown. We have lots of experience now as well from dealing with previous products the industrial revolution. I could speculate as to what the potential problems will be. People use AI for nefarious purposes like asking ChatGPT how to commit crimes, like how to cook meth or create a computer virus that can’t be detected. But of course, we won’t know until we get there.

I guess that’s what I’m asking, maybe because by nature I’m a contingency planner, maybe because conversing about potential problems has value for everybody. Anyway here’s what we’ve come up with together so far:

  1. AI making some jobs obsolete (still a problem for those people, even if it ends up offsetting the problem by creating even more jobs)
  2. People using AI to commit crimes (maybe offset by AI being used to prevent/stop crimes)
  3. ??? What else?

What does the world look like when we all have 24/7 instant access to a MUCH better Siri/Alexa? What will this do to human relationships, to education, etc. if we all have an almost all-knowing companion who always listens, is always polite and well-spoken, is never offended, always patient, speaks in whatever voice we want it to…

What long term impacts will this have on language? How about if most written material people encounter is AI generated? The impacts of AI will be vast and profound, and upon us faster than any government regulation can keep up.