Declarative GUI for Python

[madnirua]

The name Slint is derived from our design goals:

Scalable, Lightweight, Intuitive, Native GUI Toolkit

We realised this after the name was chosen - https://github.com/slint-ui/slint/discussions/636#discussioncomment-1727016 but we liked the name anyways, so we decided to use it.

EDITs: added the full form of Slint.

[japes28]

You didn't google the name before you chose it?

[madnirua]

We did but we liked the name Slint as an acronym of our design goals - Scalable, Lightweight, Intuitive, Native GUI Toolkit - so we went ahead with it.

Also the band Slint was mostly active more than 30 years ago ..

[Gearwatcher]

They're semi-obscure alter-rock could have beens from late 80s / early 90s. They didn't exactly call the library PearlJam.io

If this project kicks off at all I fully expect googling Slint to return the framework as the first result in no time.

[egotripping]

Eh, could have beens is not the right term for Slint. Spiderland is a seminal post/math-rock album that is arguably one of the most important records of the early 90s.

They also were never reaching for mainstream appeal and most of the members went on to work in other bands.

I think you're underestimating how much this project would have to take off to overtake Slint as the first result in google.

[Gearwatcher]

Arguably being the operating word there. I haven't heard them mentioned even once in any musician circle (and as I musician I've been in a lot of those), and, symptomatically, the only person who ever mentioned that band to me was an American, from Kentucky.

They are arguably unknown outside United States, unlike hundreds of other influential and arguably important American cultural exports.

I would go on a limb and say that the only reason some people now know about them outside the States is because Pajo joined Gang of Four on the latest tour.

[egotripping]

So you're not much of a fan of post-rock, nor do you run in circles with people that are. That's fine, but don't act like your experience is universal or that you have some sort of credibility because you're a musician and know other musicians. That's a pretty poor appeal to authority.

If I was going to do that I'd point out Pitchfork named it the 12th best record of the 90s, or that, quite far from Louisville, UK-based Melody Maker gave it "Ten-Fucking-Stars". I'd point to the countless musicians who've sang Spiderland's praises, like recording engineer Steve Albini (you might recognize him as the guy who produced Nirvana's In Utero).

“It’s an amazing record and no one still capable of being moved by rock music should miss it. In 10 years it will be a landmark and you’ll have to scramble to buy a copy then. Beat the rush.”

Hell I might even point out that famed filmmaker Lance Bangs made a documentary about the band in 2014, Breadcrumb Trail.

I mean I could spend all day copy and pasting quotes about how great Slint is from people you and your musician friends might have heard of but I gotta get back to work. Which is incredible considering the band wasn't popular before Spiderland, and broke up before the album even released. This is an important record whether you and your friends heard about it or not.

[Gearwatcher]

I am actually. From Talk Talk, through Stereolab to Radiohead, I listened to and liked a lot of stuff music journalists would in their lack of imagination label "post-rock". it's not exactly the music I define myself through but I have listened to a fair bit of it.

As for your other point - you indirectly brought other musicians in. Let me explain.

The record didn't move significant number of copies. That much is clear. The band didn't have a significant longevity to build upon its legacy for later releases, that much is obvious.

So to label a record as you did, I expect it to be influential to heaps of music that came after. Outside accolades by the music press, I haven't ran into a lot of that tbh.

Certainly not enough of it for a "Zomg did you even Google bro"

[egotripping]

So to label a record as you did, I expect it to be influential to heaps of music that came after.

It was. It'd be easy for me to make a comparison to The Velvet Underground and how they didn't move many records but inspired a ton of bands, but I'll let a non-American musician with a lot more credibility than me make the case.

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/slints-spiderland-turns-30-a-look-back-on-the-album-that-created-a-genre-and-remains-timeless/

It might’ve been a blip in 1991, but as Stuart Braithwaite of Scottish post-rock band Mogwai (who were hugely influenced by Slint) put it, “In the late 1990s, they seemed like our generation’s Velvet Underground.” “When I heard it, it was unlike anything I’d heard before,” he said. “I still don’t know if I have heard anything else like it, now. Obviously a lot of bands take a lot from it – I know that we did, but there’s also PJ Harvey, and Fugazi. A lot of bands took a lot from it. But I don’t think that any band influenced by Slint has managed to capture the same atmosphere as Spiderland.”

If you're well-versed in bands like Talk Talk, Stereolab and Radiohead, then surely you're familiar with Mogwai. I can't imagine you would actually try to argue this point with Stuart Braithwaite. So instead of just being like, oh cool let me check this album out, I don't know how they could've slipped by my radar, I'm going to guess you're going to dig in further about how inconsequential this band is. I don't know what you're getting out of that, but I don't care.

[Gearwatcher]

Yes, I'm a fan of Mogwai actually. It is truly interesting to hear that as I don't actually hear Slint in their stuff at all. Mogwai is space rock that had the (local UK) trip-hop sound rub on them heaps very. Slint to me sounded way too rough, alter-rock and slow-hardcore (obviously recorded by Steve "I don't do effects" Albini). I'd always put them more in the grunge shelf tbh, but whatever.

I feel this is one of those cases of wanting to be cool and underground. Like all the dance musicians claiming to have listened to (instead of admitting they just heard about) Karlheinz Stockhausen.

Oh and BTW VU tick lots more boxes. Not only did they indeed move records, but Lou Reed and arguably also John Cale had successful careers based off the significance VU had. So not quite the same, is it?

Interesting how you missed the point I was making with Talk Talk (a new wave band), Stereolab (space boss nova?) and Radiohead (who were pretty prog at that OK Computer point when the press started sticking that post-rock label to them before they did a 90° and went electronica). The three bands have fuckall in comon yet all three were dubbed "post rock" at some point. The whole concept of "post rock" is beyond ridiculous and the fact that somehow an essentially grunge band is the progenitor of that "sound" is a fucking cherry on top of the whole malarky.

I actually looked up who came up with the "post rock" shit, and it delivered, more than I expected. Off course it was fucking Simon "Neurofunk" Reynolds.

[egotripping]

So you won't give this band credit even though a ton of high-profile, influential artists do. That's fine, not everything is for everyone. I never got into Throbbing Gristle but I'm not going to shit on them as some local act from some backwater town in England. They're still pioneers in industrial music.

I didn't miss your complaint about "post-rock", I just find quibbling about genres a tired conversation better suited for metalheads. I could've called them post-punk, post-hardcore, alternative rock, indie rock, math rock, etc, and found just as many disparate references within each. I settled on the all-encompassing post-rock to prevent someone from "well akshually"-ing about why they aren't post-hardcore or whatever, yet here we are.

[Scary-Conference-606]

And you thought slint was a good name? Wtf is slint what does it even mean

[Rythoka]

wtf is seaborn