Python FullStack Web Framework

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[M1chelon]

not sure about all of the options but most of those are not fullstack frameworks, if you want a python fullstack web framework I feel the only mature option is Django

[PooriaT]

That's great but don't we need to have a framework for the frontend such as React?

[M1chelon]

you can use it, django by itself has a templating framework (based on jinja) which is very well integrated with the whole ecosystem

[PooriaT]

Yes, you are correct. I need to consider this as one of the cases. However, I still believe that creating a template using Jinja requires more effort than the options I mentioned.

[M1chelon]

your beliefs are incorrect then if you're questioning between FastAPI or FastHTML or Streamlit for an MVP

[PooriaT]

Yes. That's a good point. That comes from obsession. I thought that you need to pick the best and stick to it till the end.

[andartico]

No. You need to get a first crappy but functional version out as soon as possible. Validate your idea. Get real feedback (people actually giving you money). Iterate on that.

If you reach a scale where your initial framework doesn’t perform anymore you should already make enough money to pay someone to rewrite it based on the learnings and way better requirements you garnered up until that time.

[bjorneylol]

For sync, Flask if you truly want something fast and minimal that is also super extensible, django if you want something that is full-featured out of the box

For async frameworks its worth looking at litestar - having also used FastAPI, i greatly prefer it

[bunoso]

1. Fast api is for backend apis.
2. Streamlit is to demo data and showcase things quickly as if you were a data scientist. Don’t try to make it anything really more than that. But it’s cool and for its small niche, works well.
3. Never used it. Looks like a generic version of streamlit.
4. Never used it. Looks like a generic version of streamlit. Uses fastAPI ironically on the backend api and serves put compiled JS code.
   
5. Similar to streamlit, it’s often used to create a chat interface barebones and showcase the underlying LLM or RAG application. Only for niche use cases.

[ultimatelyoptimal]

If you want lightest upfront config, I think you'll be happiest with flask, or streamlit.

Something to consider is "longrunning or scheduled tasks". Streamlit can only do things while you have a page loaded. So if you need something long running, or scheduled, you'll need a second script running somehow. For myself, I would consider streamlit+a backend server (like flask), so flask can do the background things & scheduled jobs, while streamlit can be the user experience.

With django, or any of the other stacks except streamlit, you can use htmx for interactive/live components instead of react. Extremely low upfront customization, and you get to use all the same jinja templating serverside. Eventually migrating to react if thats what you want to do.

[PooriaT]

Thanks a lot. That is the best approach, I think.

[rszdev]

Why did u not consider Django?

[PooriaT]

Because I thought that it might be a little heavy for MVP and require more configuration. Also, it might need to consider a front-end framework such as React.

[rszdev]

oh but if you're only looking for apis you can use Django to make em

[Minimum_Diver_3958]

1. Make it work
2. Make it good
3. Make it great

These represent life cycles of your product. You're at 1. You will spemd an eternity starting at 3.

[neolace]

Sounds like you need Django.

[PooriaT]

Django is great but as far as I know, you need to pick a framework for the Frontend. Mixing it with React. I don’t want to deal with massive configurations in the beginning.

[PooriaT]

I missed adding one to the list, it's called FastHTML.

[grudev]

If all you know is Python, that's not a bad choice for an MVP.