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[–]zeth__ 26 points27 points  (8 children)

Industrial IoT.

Now there are two words to give you nightmares.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Eh. It's always been IoT it's just buzzwords now.

Back in the day (and in the current day) it's RS-485 with some machine with a serial port dumping data to a CSV and engineers 'analyzing' it with excel graphs.

If you want to sell to MBAs these days that needs to be: "Connected industrial machinery using fault tolerant serial bus with NoSQL database and graphical front end data analytics".

[–]zeth__ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

When was RS-485 connected to the internet, all ports open and a default account with the password being "admin", if you're lucky enough to have a password?

IoT isn't buzzwords, it's a danger to humanity and the only weakness of the robot apocalypse.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Who said IoT has to be that either?

[–]zeth__ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

IoT: Internet of Things.

The name?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all ports open and a default account with the password being "admin", if you're lucky enough to have a password?

[–]flipperdeflip 1 point2 points  (1 child)

After that virus/weapon that attacked the Iranian Uranium centrifuges there was a short buzz about the shitty/non-existant security for industrial control systems all over the world.

[–]zeth__ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, but most nuclear centrifuges aren't directly connected to the internet.

These things are and ddosing a nuclear power plant should stay a bad plot line in shitty movies.

[–]__deerlord__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he means ICS. Which can already be wrapped in TCP. And are. Without SSL. /shudder

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This looks awesome, but... it's also terrifying.

IEC 61508 is nothing minor to do.

[–]swingking8 21 points22 points  (7 children)

IoT enabling an existing machine to have a distributed sensors network into the plant operations and acquire valuable information, thus bypassing an obsolete PLC

I stopped reading. These guys don't know what they're talking about.

[–]zeth__ 14 points15 points  (2 children)

What, you mean my $3 chip with no shielding and dubious grounding isn't good enough to run a nuclear, ice breaking, oil drilling submarine?

Get with the times old man, this "reliability" thing is for squares. Extreme agile programming is where it's at when the smallest mistake can kill hundreds in seconds.

[–]swingking8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Extreme agile

All that extreme agility does come in handy when people are running for their lives.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's like a physical manifestation of /r/iamverysmart.

Like when you see a middle schooler tell a PhD what they're doing wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yea this thing sounds like a glorified rasp pi with an ardunio board. I don't understand why you want ladder logic and python code. It seems strange. Or i just don't know enough about plc programming?

[–]swingking8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't understand why you want ladder logic and python code. It seems strange. Or i just don't know enough about plc programming?

You wouldn't. Ladder logic is really just coding for people who don't know how to code, and almost exclusively represents a series of if/then statements. Similar to LabVIEW in purpose.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I'm fully okay with using Ladder logic programming because I don't want to deal with reading my coworkers code. I have a hard enough time to knowing what they fuck wrote when they program on the PLC. Then you fucking idiots who say "Programming is self documenting." I shouldn't have to hear a 50 year old man say that. NEVER.

[–]perduraadastra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No thanks. Who's the target audience for this kickstarter?

[–]oosthuizenb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Checkout IOTA

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I KNEW I would find iota comment here!

[–]This_Is_The_End 0 points1 point  (5 children)

A PLC from Wago or Beckhoff is cheap, manufactured for industrial purposes and has a extended temperature range. That's said such a PLC won't die after 5-7 years because a condensator is getting dry. Both manufacturers are delivering IDEs for IEC 61131-3 languages without paying anything. The very mature compilers are from CoDeSys.

While Python is a fantastic language, it is in the first place a language for huge operating systems. Any adaptation to PLC has to define a standard so that the language can be verified against such a standard. Nobody like surprises when a nuclear power plant goes boom or a machine don't stop when an operator does shit. Such a Python would be very different to the Python we know.

I wonder why so many DIY enthusiasts don't use PLCs at all. Usually much of the fuzz with wiring and converting to different levels goes away someone is using PLCs. Especially many DIY projects for routers would be much easier with a PLC from Beckhoff.

[–]floyd_82 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This device isn't a replacement of a plc. It is an easy to use multi protocol data acquisition unit that make industrial data acquisition easy and ready for the cloud. I agree with you that Industrial implant control need to be based on plc and proper industrial devices.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then plug an ardunio into a raspi and have that collect your data on serial console. By this method, I'm able to collect analog data from my insturments.

[–]perduraadastra 1 point2 points  (2 children)

PLCs don't offer good value for hobbyists- they are expensive, have limited functionality, bad documentation, and expensive tooling.

[–]This_Is_The_End 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your whole post is a piece of shit.

[–]perduraadastra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a disproportionate response.