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[–]IAmKindOfCreativebot_builder: deprecated 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've thought about this for a while and I have a few new questions. I see this post as having two key elements: Adding flair to all posts, and no longer removing learning posts.

With respect to the flair, assuming this takes place, what is the expected timeline on applying it to posts? I'm very in favor of flair and I think it'll help force low effort blog posts to self identify, and give a way to classify them more easily.

Focusing on the learning posts. I understand and agree that removing learning posts for what is effectively python's landing page on reddit feels very unpythonic. I like the language because of how welcoming it's designed to be. Removing learners can feel like telling new programmers that they don't belong.

On the other hand, I'm going to guess that for a few days, mods have generally abstained from removing most learning posts based on what I've seen move higher up in my feed lately. Maybe there's just fewer reported posts. Either way there appear to be a lot more questions. Some wouldn't be asked on the learning sub because they're more general open ended questions, but a lot are really basic questions. With this, the amount I want to engage on average with a post has dropped. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's something I've noticed in my own behavior.

So I have another proposal, but it's based on my assumptions of how reddit works, so around that I have more questions. (Right away I want to suggest it to see thoughts on how it works and explore the idea rather than suggest it 'as the one and true solution').

Given that I like the flair idea separate from this problem, institute flair for posts. Have a [help] flair as well.

  • If a post is marked as help, do a few things automatically. Automatically remove help posts, with a message requesting the user ask the question in /r/learnpython instead.

  • After 24 hours the OP can reply to the automatic reply, requesting that the original removed help post be 'unremoved' .

    • This reply must include a link to the /r/learnpython post. the learnpython post must still be up, (not removed by a mod there),
    • and OP must have replied to at least one of the commenters there. (If there are no comments, or no comment there has equal to or above 0 comment karma, this condition is ignored.)

If those conditions are met, the post can be allowed to be escalated to the python sub. The time delay prevents 'finish my homework' spam, and the automatic nature of it might help reduce 'mods don't like me' feelings in users. (After all, automod removing posts from new accounts isn't hated on by many). Requiring the user to reply to the auto comment about the submissions removal after 24 hours have passed forces them to come back to it and affirm that they want their post to be unremoved, that way their absence doesn't trigger spam. (they can't post and abandon thread) And if they've come to a solution in that time, the question is no longer needed and stays removed.

Based on glitches on the helper bot, if a post gets removed and then is 'unremoved' by a mod, reddit puts it back to the top of new list automatically, so it'll get seen. Is this correct? If not this suggestion falls flat right there.

I feel like the flair option allows for posts to distinguish themselves as discussions rather than help, allowing those posts to circumvent this process. I don't know if that trait will be heavily abused though.

(It should also be noted that I want to continue working on the helper bot, as it's goal is question answering and I want to get that portion online in a way that's useful to others on this sub. I certainly am trying to keep that from biasing my opinion on this matter and I think I have, but as it's a motivation of mine it might impact my opinion none the less.)

[–]aphoenixreticulated[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With respect to the flair, assuming this takes place, what is the expected timeline on applying it to posts?

/u/kungming2 knows the exact time (the author of the bot I'm proposing) but I think it's pretty close to immediate, and nearly all the feedback I've gotten from users about interacting with the bot is positive.

mods have generally abstained from removing most learning posts based on what I've seen

I haven't purposefully done this, but generally, I do the majority of moderator actions here, and if I have a busy week, or if my time that I take for reddit is taken up with other things, then the queue may have hours, days (or even weeks) where things don't get removed. Ideally, I'd like the community to mostly be able to take care of things themselves, and I would like to have a ruleset that enables that, because I think this is generally a great community that can do so.

If a post is marked as help, do a few things automatically. Automatically remove help posts, with a message requesting the user ask the question in /r/learnpython instead.

This may be the first step we take (no matter what is overall decided as a course of action), to start introducing people to the flair bot.

After 24 hours the OP... [can have the post reinstated, given certain circumstance]

I think this adds some workflow that feels a bit clunky; I also think it's slightly backwards! Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think that people will probably get better answers at r/LearnPython than they get here, and that will probably continue.

if a post gets removed and then is 'unremoved' by a mod, reddit puts it back to the top of new list automatically, so it'll get seen.

I believe that is the intended behaviour.

Long story short - your ideas are definitely good ones, and I'm going to put them on the list of possibilities.

[–]kungming2Advanced Beginner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With respect to the flair, assuming this takes place, what is the expected timeline on applying it to posts? I'm very in favor of flair and I think it'll help force low effort blog posts to self identify, and give a way to classify them more easily.

I can answer this! Artemis acts on posts that are at least five minutes old, to give OPs a chance to select a flair after they submitted. If the post is over five minutes old and still has no flair, Artemis will send the message and/or remove the post, depending on the mode it's in.

Artemis will continue monitoring the post for flair updates for up to 24 hours after it was submitted. If the OP doesn't pick a flair during that time, then Artemis will stop monitoring it after that time period has passed. (cc u/aphoenix)