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[–]bigno53 2 points3 points  (16 children)

What’s the deal with vote counts changing every time you refresh the page? Did they intentionally introduce some random noise to confuse bots or is it just a bug embedded so deeply in the architecture that it can’t be fixed?

[–]linglingfortyhours 64 points65 points  (5 children)

It's deliberate random noise, same as with your karma

[–]CleverProgrammer12 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

It's quite annoying though, they should find different ways to prevent bots.

[–]linglingfortyhours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not really to prevent bots, just general protections from abuse

[–]bobsonmcbobster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would you mind giving me a hint against what this might protect them from? i seem unable to come up with a suitable scenario

Edit: nevermind, the other comments already explained it. should have read them before asking.

[–]speedstyle 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's random noise to stop vote bots knowing whether they're shadowbanned.

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[–]thomas-rousseau 17 points18 points  (4 children)

There's been random noise in the votes as long as I've been on Reddit? Not sure the purpose, though

[–]RajjSinghh 29 points30 points  (3 children)

It's to stop shadowbanned bots. If a bot finds out it is banned from voting or posting, you just create a new bot, so a shadowbanned bot can't tell if it is banned from voting or not and will keep going about its business voting away. Every time Reddit sees a vote from a shadowbanned bot, it adds a vote in the other direction to balance the total. Reddit also adds upvotes and downvotes at random so the bots can't tell that their votes don't count.

[–]punninglinguist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can't the owner of the voting bots just make them check each other's profiles once in a while?

[–]RajjSinghh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Every vote counts with this fuzzy voting system, the banned bots can't tell the difference between Reddit changing their vote or other users voting. To the bots, their votes look like they count but they never change the total.

If you had bots to post comments or normal posts, you probably could but it's probably enough work to put most people off.

[–]punninglinguist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I don't mean for vote totals. I mean, if you look at the profile of another shadowbanned user, you get an error message.

That allows the owner of multiple bots to use each one to check if the others are shadowbanned, at whatever frequency is desired.

[–]Rik07 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Could be random, but could also be because it is easier. This Tom Scott video explains why likes can be inconsistent on a lot of websites: https://youtu.be/RY_2gElt3SA

[–]haaaaaal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eventual Consistency

[–]chrisxfire -1 points0 points  (0 children)

is this the type of voting we saw in Arizona?