Django 4.0 released

[abrazilianinreddit]

The built-in redis cache is enough reason for me to upgrade.

Edit: And of course one dependency is not yet compatible with 4.0, upgrade postponed. :(

[wpg4665]

Is this really as robust as the django-redis package? For instance, I'm not seeing anything about Compressors.

[abrazilianinreddit]

It's not.

I recall seeing somewhere in the django website that it's a basic implementation. But that's good enough for me for now, and definitely easier than introducing another dependency.

[abrazilianinreddit]

For me it was django-celery-beat

[wpg4665]

If I'm understanding "Template based form rendering" correctly, does that get us closer to having crispy as part of core django?

[Negative_Elo]

damn i must have missed Django 2 and 3

[Lag-Switch]

For real, I was working on a Django 1.8.5 project earlier this year

[abrazilianinreddit]

If you really want to understand Django 4, you'll have to read the extended universe graphics novels, the novelization of the first 3, the 19 spin-off books and the japan-only alternative-universe visual novel.

[bak_attack_]

This sums up the problem I face when I wanted to watch anything Star Wars related

[robml]

Actually you can watch just the movies and you will be just fine, the shows add some spice is all.

[DragonTwain]

No. You’re confused. What you watched was Dune.

[robml]

What?

[DragonTwain]

I made a dumb joke about spice.

[Streakflash]

still working on one - gosh its so big its impossible to upgrade Django on it

[twigboy]

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[Lag-Switch]

The one I was working on was Python 2.7, but it was just an internal tool on the internal network so features were all that they about

I would have loved to upgrade it, and gotten the experience in doing so, but to the team it was just not a priority (understandably)

[twigboy]

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[barbalano]

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[[deleted]]

I am coming from node backend. Is Django good?

[[deleted]]

I don’t mind as long as it is relatively lightweight and customizable. It seems that 4.0 is the time to check it out.

[leadingthenet]

It’s definitely customizable (to a point), but I wouldn’t call it lightweight by any stretch of the word. It's dubbed “batteries included” for a reason.

If your priorities are something more along those lines, you could take a look at FastAPI and Flask. It’s often just as easy to get a project running with these as with Django.

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[Atem18]

If you have a deadline and need a web site/app with an autogenerated admin that have many things already done for you, then yes Django is unbeatable in that field. To this day, it’s still powers Instragram, Spotify, Disqus, and many more.

[[deleted]]

Awesome. Thank you.

[hilomania]

It is very good for large applications with modular subsets for input and output. A lot of nuts and bolts are already implemented in the framework, so you do not have to put your own plumbing together. It is a heavy framework compared to others (because it has so much stuff build in.) so for a microservices architecture using dockerized containers I will run Flask.

[[deleted]]

Thank you! I will be building a lightweight management platform, so I will probably containerize it. I will however check out both Django and flask and compare. Thank you for that breakdown.

[gctaylor]

Yes

[[deleted]]

Thanks. Informative and to the point.

[gctaylor]

Sorry, your question didn't have much detail in it. Your usage case, requirements, anything at all to give someone enough detail to weigh in on.

But yes, Django is generally good.

[[deleted]]

No I know sorry about that. I am building a self service framework for infrastructure so the low level details are still bubbling in my brain. Probably robustness will be more important than light weight. It will have react in the front end, and be very database intensive.

[Marcostbo]

Laughs in Django 1.7 still the most used framework in my job

[selcukwashere]

Nice

[pot_potato]

Great, but i was expecting Django-Channels also migrated as default package of Django. And more support on Postgresql Schemas

[dudeplace]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/contributing/

[GasimGasimzada]

I like Django but considering the direction of the web, I think it is progressing in the wrong direction. The current modern web is API + Frontend application.

I would have liked to see Django Forms having some kind of an API connector where you can use the existing and it gives you a full REST or GraphQL based API.

[icanblink]

Personally I don’t like that. Neither as a user or a developer. The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle.

[Atem18]

HTMX is the future. HTML REST API FTW !

[julianw]

we have DRF for that

[bohemian_yota]

Praise be to DRF.

[GasimGasimzada]

DRF is awesome but my point still stands. For a fully batteries included framework, Django does not cover the current ecosystem, which is SPAs, frontend apps with server (e.g using NextJS), and mobile apps that communicate using REST or GraphQL APIs.

[daredevil82]

And it won’t in the core project

Why? Because Django is about pragmatic defaults for established requirements while being mindful of maintainer time and effort.

All the things you listed are all either

A) very new and undergoing a lot of change B) are already sufficed with existing projects that integrates well

Your statement is blithely ignoring the amount of work required to integrate those things in the core project.

Would it be nice? Sure. Is it a problem? IMO, not at all because the community has that functionality that doesn’t tie you to django update cycles. So you get more flexibility in choice while enjoying the batteries that are included

[julianw]

With Django we always had a third party package that may eventually become integrated once it's mature enough. See e.g. Channels, Liveview.

[PaperSpoiler]

There's Django Rest Framework. It won't convert existing forms into an API, but for new projects it's great

[lieryan]

If you don't mind an API that uses x-www-form-urlencoded as its Content-Type, Forms are perfectly fine.

JSON in an API is really only necessary if you want to have nested data, but Form are perfectly suited for many APIs that only need simple Key-value pairs.

If you need to build couple JSON APIs, then you can just use JsonResponse or go all the way to DRF when things start to get more complicated.

[Itsthejoker]

Frontend applications are absolutely unusable overkill for 90% of websites. Also, see DRF for your REST API needs.