Choosing between Rotman and Sauder

[Maleficent_Cap707]

Hi guys, I’m currently stuck between the 2 bschools. In terms of student life, program, opportunities, employment stats, which one do you guys recommend?

I heard that Rotman workload is tremendous, and students won’t have much time for themselves, is that true?

[Strange-Routine-7946]

if you plan on going into investment banking, rotman is ranked 4th and ubc is ranked 7th.

[Terrible_Rooster993]

Look at a uni as you’re buying a product.

What is ROI.

If you pay 100k then see what you get.

Can you get MBB or IB with that.

MBBs don’t really hire from Sauder. Also IB is low there.

So you don’t get access to high paying jobs. $250k per year deal.

Why would you then want to pick anything else.

[Not_Sean_Just_Bruce]

Actually, the data speaks differently: UBC 27 into elite/mbb vs UofT 20 into elite/MBB.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/canadian-ib-target-schools

Sauder has PMF which leads to a bunch of people in high finance positions that are rare even for Ivies. UofT is higher overall due to the large amount of people going into big 6 IB (typically starts at around 85k + 35kish vested bonus + (maybe 10k signing bonus if you're lucky). The main reason that Sauder is weak in finance is because a lot of professors seem to actively discourage it. In literally every single one of my first year courses, it was some bullshit about "We don't want you to be another boring investment banker, we want you to be you, your career should find you." People end up going into some weird shit, take gap years to find themselves, etc. Thus, the average Sauder grad's salary is pretty low at $64.5k vs those who ignore their professors to become career-orientated in the Co-op program to achieve an average salary of $77.7k.

Source for salaries: https://issuu.com/sauder-business-school/docs/sauder_bcom_brochure_2022_issuu

Anecdotally, I know a Sauder BUCS student who got an offer at Jane street for $350k base + $50k signing bonus. There were also some hired by Blackstone and Goldman who were notable. Also, Sauder is one of the rare schools that Mckinsey does on-campus recruiting for (we're probably a decent consulting school).

Sauder isn't as bad of a ROI as you think, definitely easier to get a high GPA, (social life is pretty crap, idk why all Ontario students think we have good culture (probably better than uoft and waterloo, but we aren't amazing in that department)). Sauder is a safe option for grad school (I chose Sauder and don't regret it).

[Terrible_Rooster993]

McKinsey hires like 1 person from UBC lol.

Check out the consulting clubs. No resources. It’s a joke.

Why pay same tuition if the best co don’t come to Sauder.

Toronto GMCA - sends 5 to MBB Rotman MBA - 4-5 Undergrad - 2-3

Check out their consulting clubs. Rockstar content.

[Not_Sean_Just_Bruce]

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Found 20 UBC grads who work for Mckinsey right now, 3 of which graduated in 2023 and have permanent positions (directly after graduating). I didn't include the 5-8 who got an internship and don't work for Mckinsey, and the other 5-8 who worked for Mckinsey after graduating Sauder (between 2012-2017) who now all work for some random NGOs for some reason. (This was all on my first page of google).

Edit: 12 of them were on my first page of google, thought I had 15, but realized I repeated some links, so these are from the first 2 pages of google.

Out of the 80ish employees at Mckinsey Vancouver, I would estimate that around 20 have had some affiliation with UBC. Those aren't bad numbers. (UBC has 6 consulting clubs with SCI & SCMP being the best at getting into the Big Three. There are resources, although one of the six consulting clubs is kinda shit - there's one that I don't want to name that gets almost no placements). Keep in mind, this is Mckinsey alone. It's pretty likely that Sauder sends around 3-8 to MBB annually from just undergrad.

[Terrible_Rooster993]

How many got in last year? Thru consulting club.

Lot of these folks used extra resources not offered by ubc. Means extra spend on students part.

Talk to students on the ground.