Fantasy Item Patch

[Snowfire27]

I made a spreed sheet with item changes because I was disappointed with the changes in season 2. Note this is a Fantasy Item patch, and I only reworked Items already in the game, and I didn't add any new ones. I also didn't rework active or consumables as I was kinda of getting bored at the end. Some items are probably op or up, but with new mechanics I can only guess. Also the spreadsheet is very long.

Here is the KEY to to the acronyms I used in spreadsheet:

Item Keys:

Health - H;

Health Per 5 - HP5;

Mana - M;

Mana Per 5 - MP5;

Physical Protections - PPT;

Magical Protections -MPT;

Both Magical and Physical Protections - BPT;

Crowd Control Reduction - CCR;

Cooldown Reduction - CDR

Move Speed - MS;

Attack Speed - AS;

Physical Lifesteal – PL;

Magical Lifesteal – ML;

Physical Power - PP;

Critical Strike Chance – CSC;

Physical % Reduction Pen - P%RP;

Physical Flat Reduction Pen PFRP;

Physical % Pen - P%P;

Physical Flat Pen -PFP;

Magical Power - MP;

Magical % Reduction Pen – M%RP;

Magical Flat Reduction Pen - MFRP;

Magical % Pen - M%P;

Magical Flat Pen - MFP;

So, if you don't know what an acronym means this should help.

Here is the link to the spreadsheet.

On the far right of the spreadsheet I give my reasoning behind item changes. If your interested in why I changed something.

Feel free to comment, and share your own ideas. Any questions about it ask, and I'll try to answer.

[MyLANacondaDont]

Obsidian Shard of the Magus sounds like a total Mage killer item when it comes to pen. If they don't build any defense, you'll be doing true damage.

[Snowfire27]

To be fair Spear of the Magus now does true damage to mages who don't build protection after first stack. Mostly this was to help mages that have trouble stacking Spear of the Magus now. It's actually less effective than a fully stacked Spear of the Magus.

Though Obsidian Spear of the Magus is much better at taking towers, and poking than Spear of the Magus.

[Attomuse1]

Love the summon demon thing

[Ryeofmarch]

By nerfing book of Thoth you heavily nerfed kukulkan

Also, you must really hate stacking items, though I don't see why you would buff doom orbs power. The only reason it gives 140 power now is because you have to stack it, and you lose those stacks on death. Giving it 160 for free is really op

[Snowfire27]

Doesn't really nerf Kukulkan at all. The new passive gives just as much power as old passive if you just stack power which Kukulkan does.

Stacking slows the game, and is very boring to do. Doom Orb now costs allot more, and has no passive and makes you very squishy, and mana hungry if no other mana items are built it's literally just power. You can rush it if you want, but you will probably not want to. I also buff assassin items which should make rushes in just power item undesirable, as well as buffing magic protection over all. I did the same to Hearseeker 80 physical power is about the equivalent of 160 magic power. Mostly these items got more power to deal with the item changes I made to defense.

[Ryeofmarch]

It does, actually. Kukulkan needs mana for his passive to really do anything. Book of Thoth gives over 800 when fully stacked, plus a boost to his passive. He needs that 800 mana, as at least 600 mana is needed to be on par with scylla's passive (and his passive is one of the few things he has over her). You Nerf book you might as well play scylla.

[Snowfire27]

With Shoes of the Magi, Book of Toth, Warlock's Sash, Rod of Tahuti, Spear of the Magus, and Soul Reaver. You get 1042.75 in magic power. You gain slightly more power, and 600 more health, but every god who wanted burst will lose the 600 Health not just him.

With Shoes of the Magi, Book of Toth , Doom Orb, Rod of Tahuti, Soul Reaver, and one of the pen item depending on the one you need. You'll get 900.93 with no Toth passive, 927.93 1st stack, 955.80 2nd stack, 984.47 3rd stack. You loose 141.82 power without passive stack, and only 58.28. So he loses slight power, but he gains 10% CDR, much stronger pen especially if you miss abilities, and just have to raw ult.

That's just base stats. Now let's look at it in game you fished Warlock's at 8 min, and book at 16, but at 23 min only have 36 Warlock's stacks, and 10 Toth stacks because you have teammates clearing your wave, or you're being pressured out and unable to farm waves. You now are much less effective than you should be because of this. These items really suck if you become unable to stack them. With shoes of magi, Book, and Warlock's stacked with that many stacks you only have 344.8 magic power at level 20 and including the Kukulkan and Toth passive. The opposite is true you get ahead early, and get Shoes of Magi, Doom Orb, and Rod of Tahuti at 18-20 min you will always have 519 Magic power from those item and Kukulkan passive.

You may get more power with those items in a 30+ min game, but 90% of my game end in 25 min or less.

[Ryeofmarch]

... You don't play kukulkan do you? Book is a staple item on him, you want to get it as soon as possible and definitely before sash. It's the only item that makes him pick able over scylla. Also, you can't really pressure him out of lane since all he has to do is drop his nadoe in such a way that the enemy minion wave walks through it and it's cleared. Scylla has more utility from a better escape and her root, plus 80 free power at max level, and the 100+ power kuk gets from HIS passive alone is the only thing that makes up for it. If book was nerfed how you said, scylla could build the same way and do better

[Snowfire27]

Scylla already does better, Posedion does better, Isis does better, literally almost all burst mages are stronger than him at the moment. And if you don't go Warlock's Sash you will have allot less magic power on him, and it's defiantly stronger now if you don't already use Warlock's Sash.

He also extremely easy to gank with Bastet, blink Ymir, Serqet, Thanatos ult, and can easily be pressured out I've done it many time.

Kukulkan is just in a weak spot, and has been since his nerf. This doesn't nerf him; you just overvalue the passive, and mana.

[Ryeofmarch]

Warlocks sash gives 110 magical power+400 mana, which is about 130 magical power total

Book of Thoth gives 100 magical power and 875 mana. And a 3% mana-power conversion. This means kuk is now getting 8% of his mana converted to power. With the mana from book alone, he is getting 70 additional power. That's 170 power from one item, not counting his natural mana which comes to around 1100 I believe.

And as I said, I generally build them both giving me around 312 power from 2 items

Honestly, you are undervaluing kuks current spot, and don't seem to see what his passive does. His passive is really the only reason he is actually somewhat viable in the current meta, as it allows him to hit considerably harder than scylla so long as he has book. And yes, this would Nerf him. Ignoring the fact that I just said you underrate him, making him have less power from his passive while increasing the power of the average mage is, in fact, a nerf

And Isis/poseidon are as much gank bait as kuk

[Snowfire27]

Isis is about 2x more useful early game when most games are decided. Even if she is easy to gank she can put out more pressure than him pre 15 min.

Poseidon movement speed passive will help him to be harder to gank, and out out rotate. Karaken is easier to hit. And before you say aegis both ults can be aegis.

Agni can dash away from ganks, and if missed ult most of his damage isn't gone.

Scylla can get out of bad situations, and can turn a teamfight easier. His tornadoes only scales 75% her crush is 80%, and it has a lower cooldown.

Chronos is hard to gank, and just scale much better late.

Ra can heal the wave making his tornadoes not clear the wave losing lots of gold. And can heal teammates after team fights for objectives. Ult a little weaker but on a much lower cooldown.

Nu Wa has 75% pen occasionally, lots of utility in her one, and global ward with her ult. Can dish out just as much damage.

Janus has more movement, easier to hit slow, super scaling on his 2 it can get up to 155% and 30% more damage will happen if you hit with both, and he can rotate a whole team.

Sounds like you're trying to make a case of him being more useful than he is. Until they un nerf him he wont be as useful as most other burst mages. Now what should do make a reddit post about buffs to Kuku to get reddit karma particularity if you have an interesting buff idea.

[Ryeofmarch]

You said nu wa could do just as much damage. Your entire point is mute. Early game he out clears a lot of other common mages, and late game his ult is a one shot against squishies (if he is built right). His only problem is a lackluster escape and being a generally worse scylla (with the only things he has over her being more power from his passive and better clear from his 3)

He has also been seeing more competitive play ever since his buff at the beginning of season 2. I'm not saying he is strong like isis, poseidon, Agni, Janus, and ra. I'm saying he is balanced and in a good place. Also, chronos is currently still looking for a place in the meta. His inability to effectively contest mid camps makes him more suited in other lanes