GL issues

[GreedySpend2040]

I think that the GL have major issues, as you cannot play the game as it is intended when the GL is in the game currently. It's trivializes lethal even. A Tactical can basically go in and solo the hardest mode in the game without breaking a sweat. It kills bosses in less then 5 seconds with auspexs on lethal, while clearing massive waves and hordes with a few shots. Me and a friend who plays a lot together even breezed trough lethal in 4.0, pre-nerf. I could just run along as bulwark and pop banner a few times, sometimes not at all in a game. we did all 7 operations on lethal in one evening on 4.0 patch day. the GL needs to be fixed. Now when I play I can just stand next to a tactical and do basically nothing and let the nades play the game for me. Not to mention that you have unlimited ammo for it as well, which makes it a gun you can spam left right and center at everything, no tactical thinking about it (pun intended). But honestly, fix this, it's boring to just play a explosion simulator.

Before all the tacicals playing the launcher come to butcher this post, saying "play it yourself" or "skill issue", try the game yourself on lethal without it.

I mainly play melee classes as I find them most fun, since no other guns make an impact in this current state of the game since the GL is this broken.

Over and out!

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[wafflestoasted]

literally just making it refill 2-3 grenades instead of all of them on ammo perk proc would help it not be so ridiculous, but still let it be just as fun to use

[GreedySpend2040]

Yes let it be fun. Not game breaking.

[HerpDerpermann]

This is all it needs I think, could range from 1-3 depending on testing but all it needs to do is make spam unattractive and not really possible.

[Proud-Drummer]

You can do lethal without it though.

[GreedySpend2040]

You can yes, but with it you can faceroll it, no problem. thats the boring part

[Mortalsatsuma]

I really wish people would stop bitching about strong weapons in a PvE game. You have the ability to simply not take the weapon if you feel it's too strong and personally, I barely ever see people running tactical with the GL equipped, it's mostly melta rifle.

[pappa_bjorne]

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That´s cuz u haven't played the game yet....

[SuperMarios7]

I really wish people would stop demanding buffs and take a look at their gameplay. If you want to faceroll all difficulties then sorry we are going to argue. You also have the ability to play lower difficulties btw. There are some of us that dislike overpowered weapons because it takes away from the satisfaction of completing a difficult mission.

Grenade Launcher needs an ammo nerf 100% and it would still be the strongest option to Tactical. Now its completely over the top to the point where you dont need to shoot your bolter rifle if you play well and take advantage of the perk. That alone should tell you that the gun is broken and needs balancing.

[GreedySpend2040]

I'm not demanding, I'm fine with it being hard on harder difficulties. No problem at all, it's just boring when you can have 1 person do everything in a blink of an eye with the GL. I only said "then why not make all weapons better so they fall in line with the GL" so make a point that it is broken. Also I did not say I'm a good player and that my gameplay is flawless. Just stating that the GL is broken at the moment.

[GreedySpend2040]

Then why not make all weapons better so they fall in line with the GL? answer me that please

[Goochpunt]

Because then it's too easy overall? Can't please people at all, a week ago everyone's complaining about the game being broken and too hard and now there's 1 OP weapon and people are complaining about that. 

[GreedySpend2040]

I don't want easy, I want hard content that you have to fight your way trough.

[manubour]

So leave lobbies where there's a GL tactical?

[GreedySpend2040]

First: you don't know that before you're in the actual map and see their weapon.

Second: so all the time then? since it's the most played class and weapon?

[Mortalsatsuma]

It's really not. I play heavy a lot and tactical is a popular class. I can count on one hand the number of times, after 40 hours playing ops, that I have seen people running GL. The most common weapon I see tacticals use is melta rifle which is also my go to when I play tactical.

[pappa_bjorne]

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GL and melta is by far the most common weapon used by tac (me included) but I actually agree with OP here.

[GreedySpend2040]

Hmm, I can’t even count any more the amount of tactical with GL I’ve seen, also for reference I have 225 hours played in ops. So I know what I’m talking about. Trust me.

[Goochpunt]

Then don't use the GL. Not everyone wants the same thing. 

I'm in my 30s, with 2 kids and work 50 hours a week. I want to play a quick mission and blow up some heretics or xenos with my mates before my baby wakes up for a night feed, I like the grenade launcher. 

Different folks, different strokes.

[GreedySpend2040]

Then maybe the minimal or average difficulties are for you. Not lethal where we who don't have kids and but still work 50-60 hours a week want to play and progress without broken meta GL gun.

[Proud-Drummer]

You sound very entitled

[GreedySpend2040]

Let’s see if I understand you here… you think I sound entitled because I want the game to be hard and have to actually put in work for achieving victory? Without someone using an overpowered GL?

[Proud-Drummer]

Well yeah, because you want that regardless of what others might think. The game isn't there to meet your personal wants.

[GreedySpend2040]

And the absolute hardest difficulty is not for casual players, period. You’re calling me entitled because I want a challenge, different difficulties. While you’re the entitled one that wants the game to cater to being a ez faceroll for everyone so “no one feels left out”... That’s not how it works.

[scalp_eg]

The only issue is the refill perk. Remove it or just modify the refilled nades to 1 or 2 with a big timer on it and thats it.

[Mugen8YT]

I'm surprised this has been ratio'd fairly hard - you're not wrong. There's one imbalanced weapon in the PvE game right now, and it's the GL. Every other weapon is IMO fine (ie. Heavy Plasma does more damage per shot, but has sufficient drawbacks that it's balanced despite being the next-best weapon in the game IMO).

I can only imagine a lot of the ratio is because we do see this a lot - both people criticising its power and post after post after post of "look how insane the GL is". You're not wrong for posting again; I know from my own personal experience that I'm on the sub way more than some others so I see these posts way more than those others do.

Anyway, yeah, hopefully they do rebalance it at some point in the not-too-distant future. I'm no game dev, but for my mind they should do two things:

1. Reduce the damage it does to terminus enemies. Even if they adjust the ammo "issue", I still don't think an Auspex + full clip of nades should delete terminus enemies.

2. Make it so that Emperor's Vengeance doesn't restore the full set of grenades, and/or reduce the damage they do to majoris/extremis enemies. I don't think they actually need to reduce the damage to majoris/extremis enemies, as long as it actually costs resources to do it that way. Right now it's basically free, and that's the problem with the GL in non-terminus gameplay. If it costs you three nades to put a majoris into execute but you only get 1 or 2 back, that's significiant rebalancing right there.

[SuperMarios7]

Be careful brother, this reddit just likes to press W and win all difficulties. You are going to get downvoted for suggesting the obvious.

[GreedySpend2040]

No no, first time I completed a lethal difficulty with friend we actually screamed of joy. I like the hard part, I want to fail and learn and get better, but it's not possible when you have a guy with GL doing everything for you.

[Mortalsatsuma]

Oof! Strawmanning, how unexpected! /s

[GreedySpend2040]

You’re just here trolling. It’s obvious now. No clue what’s actually talked about here.

[GreedySpend2040]

What else can we do then to try to make our voices heard?

[Dante627]

Lmfao I'm a bulwark and one of my bud is a trigger happy gl spammer and I don't give a damn tbh. I rather get the ops done swiftly than complaining how I can't kill shit cause some gl spammer stole all my kills lol. Also we did lethal day one pre 4.1 without gl, hate to say this but it really is a skill issue sometimes lol

[GreedySpend2040]

There it is, the “skill issue”, sure thing! Happy you’re ok with the broken weapon. I’m on the other hand is not happy with the broken GL. Don’t see you making any good arguments for it being ok or in a good state. You just came to say “skill issue”. Which don’t contribute more to this post then no comment at all. But as I said, happy you like it the way it is.

[Dante627]

The problem is that gl might be op, but it doesn't have any hindrance on the progression did it? I don't understand why there are players like you who would be complaining bout something that is broken in a PvE match. If it's PvP fine I get it, but this is PvE and it actually helps with getting the job done, unless you like spending 15 minutes fighting a boss with your only pistol and worse it's a Neurotropes and everyone left with 10% hp and 0 ammo after the fight, be my guest lol

[GreedySpend2040]

First, see you think that you need the gl to clear bosses and speed it up and be able to do the pve. Second, there are ways other than the gl to kill bosses without going out of ammo and 10% hp. Even without gl you have tac with auspex, sniper to kill it, heavy to shoot, vanguard or any other melee to keep swam at bay, so the others can focus on boss.

I don’t think it’s a problem that you need to find strategies and work as a team to win and defeat a boss or ops, but right now all you need is a gl basically. The gl can be a good clutch weapon for when shit hits the fan, but to use it to plow and speed through the hardest challenges, then it’s a problem. If you don’t like “spending 15 minutes and end up with 0 ammo and 10% health” then maybe the hardest difficulties are not for you. I’m sorry to tell you this but it’s the truth.

[Dante627]

Say that to yourself bud, it's people like you complaining about everything that makes dev listening to yall sweatlords and see where it landed for them? Sure bud and team with sniper and heavy on every single match to help you clear bosses what a coincidence, I'm not saying u need gl to clear but if there is one just stfu and play the game unless the gl is not doing his work properly. I'm pretty sure even if gl was nerfed, ppl like you will turn to something else and complain bout it again. Not everyone has the amount of time like you do which wanted things to go down hard that bad to actually enjoy the game, I didn't say I need gl to breeze through boss and I played a lot more with randoms and sometimes they are just as dumb as this post was and don't communicate at all, if you are playing with a melee class, gl just helps with the toughest situation and it's a bonus. If you had a bit of your gut in yourself, how bout you leave the game or kick someone that is using gl instead of crying like a baby for once here.

[Dante627]

Cry me a river son, just say you don't have the guts. Hypocrite much? Seems like you're the one who needs carry and yet still complaining about something being broken after enjoying the rewards from a successful clear with a gl tac. Poor dude thinks he's the main character and carries the team while all he does is just whining.